Too late for building control?

[robsparx]

I may be in a slightly sticky situation. Before i start, i dont reccomend doing what I've done, as i understand it you should ALWAYS notify building control BEFORE you start a job if youre not registered to self certify


I had a rewire thrust upon me a few weeks ago when i was unemployed, so obviously i bit the guys hand off, and got to work straight away. I did'nt really think straight away about how i was going to Part P it.

I have nearly finished it now, and have arranged an ELECSA assessment for early june. But i have since found out that the house is being sold, and the deal is done and they have set the completion date for 2 days after my Part P assessment. So i am understandably more nervous about passing the assessment, and i'm not sure that even if i pass that the client will get the relevant documents in time?

Would it be too late to call out building control and get the to sign it off? The re wire is nearly finished, but its a totally empty house, so i can lift up floorboards etc showing my cable runs, and you can see exactly where i have run cables in the walls.

This is my own fault, i should have got building control involved straight away, even if the client didnt like the sound of the price

 

[Engineer54]

I seem to remember someone posting that they had to have a re-assesment and pay the fee as they did not provide RCD protection for an extra kitchen spur.
Will see if I can find - but don't hold your breath.
Regards, Dave

I would hazard a wild but calculated guess here, ...and say that those that fail are very Few and far between....

 

[electromonkey]

I would hazard a wild but calculated guess here, ...and say that those that fail are very Few and far between....

I had a phone call from a friend of a friend a couple of years ago who wanted me to sign off a re wire for them as they had not met the required standard of the NICEIC inspector and asked her to try again in a few months. I did a PIR for her. Let's just say, I was in full agreement with the assessor that she shouldn't have been signed off.

She is the one and only that I know of but lets face it, if you flunked, you wouldn't go shouting it from the roof tops would you.

 

[DaveyD]

Yes that's the truth.
.... Engineer?

 

[IQ Electrical]

I would hazard a wild but calculated guess here, ...and say that those that fail are very Few and far between....

I have the figures from an ex-assessor that 'spilled the beans' his tales were very worrying, applicants that he clearly failed for non compliant work were getting his decisions overturned by 'head office' amongst other things....

 

[DaveyD]

I have the figures from an ex-assessor that 'spilled the beans' his tales were very worrying, applicants that he clearly failed for non compliant work were getting his decisions overturned by 'head office' amongst other things....

What! That's shocking isn't it. All for the money then?

 

[Engineer54]

What! That's shocking isn't it. All for the money then?

I'm shocked that your surprised!!! :vanish:

 

[IQ Electrical]

What! That's shocking isn't it. All for the money then?

There was a lot more than that, the assessor had been sacked for being 'over-zealous' following a miniscule percentage of complaints from failed assessments.

I know there's 2 sides to every story but I've seen copies of the correspondance between him and 'head office' that convince me that he was just doing the job as he should have been doing it, rather than a lenient 'lets have lots of members, to hell with the quality' attitude.

 

[DaveyD]

I'm shocked that your surprised!!! :vanish:

... you obviously did not read my slug fact.

 

[Des 56]

I am intrigued by this thread - old I know but the content remains relevent. Nobody pointed out that a criminal offence was committed in the first instance. It is interesting as a building control surveyor to see that the general advice was around covering up the situation not addressing it. Advising the installer to wait until he is accepted by his competent persons scheme is no answer as the work was carried out before qualification i.e. outside the scope of any competent persons scheme. A false declaration would have to be made to certify the work making any CP certification invalid.

The best advice would be to approach the local authority building control ask for a 'Regularisation', pay your fee and have the work inspected and signed off. In my office that process would take about three days start to finish. If we caught someone falsifying inspection records we would prosecute and the courts are very unfiendly to electricians caught cheating.

Now this post as both surprised and shocked me
This is the first occasion, in my experience, that an Labc person has first of all been aware of the requirements of the failed building regulation part p, and secondly, the only Labc person, since its flawed and crazy inception, that has demonstrated any interest whatsoever in its enforcement

I dont know what the actual situation is and has been in England,but I can assure him 100% that in Wales it is routinely ignored,unknown and best of all not wanted by anyone who happens, by chance, to be aware of its non enforced existence

To say that someone is breaking the law,that had me in stitches of cycical laughter,there is a world out there that is reality,it does not include building regulation unenforced nonesense

 

[LABCman]

You don't need to pay your LABC anything. You've notified them that work is taking place. You can notify the work when you pass your assessment (even if you don't pass first time).

Sorry but if you are not a member of a CP scheme you must apply to a building control body and pay the requisite fee. If your local authority shows a lack of interest, which I am aware some do, then they are being negligent.

For Robsparky - did you actually cal out the LA to carry out inspections, the procedure is normally that you make an application, the LA acknowledges the application then awaits your call for an inspection at first fix are before if you wish to discuss any item. Payment is up front for a Building Notice or 25% first and the rest after the first inspection for Full Plans applications

Part P is being reviewed and it will not be long before the planned changes are out for consultation, hopefully it will be better organised than the original launch

 

[robsparky1975]

Sorry but if you are not a member of a CP scheme you must apply to a building control body and pay the requisite fee. If your local authority shows a lack of interest, which I am aware some do, then they are being negligent.

For Robsparky - did you actually cal out the LA to carry out inspections, the procedure is normally that you make an application, the LA acknowledges the application then awaits your call for an inspection at first fix are before if you wish to discuss any item. Payment is up front for a Building Notice or 25% first and the rest after the first inspection for Full Plans applications

Part P is being reviewed and it will not be long before the planned changes are out for consultation, hopefully it will be better organised than the original launch

I done it all by the book,called them before and after and still no show,i was not going to chase them up,i informed them and they didnt bother.

 

[LABCman]

Complain to the building control manager and insist that they issue the necessary certification, copy the complaint to the chief executive of the local authority involved. I am sure that you will get a response, but make sure you can quote dates to them.

 

[firemanowl]

Where is it written down that you can't test other peoples work or is it the scheme providers saying you can't? Why can't you use a 3 part EIC, you sign for the design and installation and someone else does/signs for the test. Isn't this what happens on the big site where there is a team of testers going round testing other peoples work?

 

[malcolmsanford]

Commercial/industrial are not under the control or legislation of Part P so quite rightly as you say on big sites you can test others work, As the Electrician on the site will not have designed the installation and one poor guy could not do all the installation work.

Domestic is totally different, which is why they have self certifying schemes that is why the single signature certificate was created.

Also though you could obviously us the single signature certificate for commercial/Industrial if you were doing a small install that you design/installed/tested.

 

[firemanowl]

How does it work on the big house building sites? Won't this be under part p also? I'm not too clued up with how big domestic sites work.