Tool thief killed by vigilantes in uk

[Gavin John Hyde]

Just heard on radio that a guy has been confronted by some locals after a spate of tool thefts. Whether he was guilty ir not hes now dead...
Im not advocating murder but is it a surprise when the police do absolutely nothing to investigate this van crime epidemic. Surprised there hasnt been more such cases.
Lancashire man dies after being detained by two neighbours | Daily Mail Online - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5059691/Man-dies-detained-two-vigilante-neighbours.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

 

[Wilko]

... I wouldn’t bother trying to detain. It’s not worth it. What would your friend have done if the guy pulled a knife out or something else?

Fully agree, things can readily escalate as may have been the case here. Separate event with another comrade who attempted to detain a thief, the 2nd thief hit him with the car they'd driven up in. The thieves got away, my friend spent a couple of weeks in hospital and months recovering from a broken leg.

 

[DPG]

The main problem is the defence lawyers who defend these scrotes and end up getting them suspended sentences or a £100 fine. What's the point in that. Especially when the scrotes normally have previous convictions for similar (or worse) stuff. It boils the p*ss of the police as well as you and I.

 

[gazdkw82]

It’s not the fault of the police. The system is not working. I know criminals who are just not scared of being caught because they 1. Don’t fear prison and 2. Know the system really can’t put them in prison because it’s so overcrowded.

It’s just one suspended sentence after another

 

[Pete999]

A tragic outcome for the thief and for his detainers.

A friend once detained a person attempting to steal his van. Before the Police arrived, the thief (with a long record) apparently broke his toe. My friend told me he doesn't know how the toe was broken (...) but the next day Police arrested him and charged him with assault (iirc). How you detain someone who doesn't want to be detained without assaulting them I don't know. Anyway, my friend now has a criminal record and (iirc) the thief was let off with another warning and made a successful compensation claim as well.

Perhaps, your Mates experience with the Villain and the Police, and the eventual outcome, is the reason some misguided, dissatisfied victims of this sort of crime act in the way the two Blokes in the original post did.

Whilst it is wrong to take the law into your own hands, you can sympathise with the victims for doing so.

I think the Lawmakers, must realise the general public, hard working people, who have there lively hoods wrecked by people who know the Police wont act without evidence, and if the victims of these crimes, cause them any harm, then they are likely to get some sort of compensation.

The laws need changing, for the benefit of the victims NOT the perpetrators.

 

[DPG]

Spot on Pete.
And let's not forget, this event would not have happened at all if the guy hadn't been skulking around in the early hours of the morning trying to nick stuff.

 

[Jim90]

Technically you can use ‘reasonable force’ under common law to detain individuals suspected of a crime that has either endangered life or to protect property. Store detectives can use the same law to detain shop lifters.

It’s always the same people circulating through prison, repeat offenders and no where to imprison them which leads to suspended and pending sentences. Our judicial system is a joke.

 

[DPG]

Don't know how these defence lawyers sleep at night when you see the type of people that end up getting away with stuff time after time.

 

[Midwest]

With a little bit of knowledge; often these deaths result from an event called 'positional asphyxiation', where someone is detained or positioned for whatever reason face down, and held in that position. Sometimes its because the person is overweight, or because a healthy person is forcibly restrained, perhaps such as in this case. It prevents the lungs & diaphragm working normally.

Often the detained person, is fighting to breath, and often mistakenly by his captors as movements trying to free themselves. Police officers have done similar, without realising. Of course it might no be the reason in this case.

Something to consider if you do find yourself restraining some one, or offering first aid.

 

[Squid]

Don't know how these defence lawyers sleep at night when you see the type of people that end up getting away with stuff time after time.

When you do any work for the just charge double bubble.....

 

[Squid]

In this instance, revenge is never the best option however sweet it may seem temporarily. Years down the line the people involved will have to live with the outcome.

In this instance maybe not but I knew a few people who relished in the fact that they got their own back.

 

[Upton Sparks]

on this topic I don't like the way some people like to throw around the Dumb comment. I don't think that is particularly helpful,

It is a sad out come that someone has died, I don't think any one could disagree with that statement. even if he was a tool thief it is a little disproportionate.

we do have a great legal system which is not perfect by any means or properly enforced at times but if you look around the world, I don't think there are any country's with a better system than us.

Innocent until proven guilty in a court of Law, judged by a court of your Peers.

I do hope the Two men who detained him do not have there lives ruined by this.

As a side note. the Last Van I had broken into, I Lost 5K worth of tools and testers, during the blood day while I was at a Job.....
The insurance company was a nightmare and didn't want to pay out( of course), I was so Lucky I have a good credit history and ability to buy my tools the next day, the insurance company did pay out 8 months Later ( after a fight), but it could of ruined me. my wife works and I was lucky I could barrow and scrape by to pay the bill and keep a roof over our heads.

I don't think these tool thief scum bag think there a victim here, there is, I could of so easily have lost my house if i could not of replaced my tools, it would of put my family in real hardship.

 

[gazdkw82]

That’s what makes a criminal a criminal. Selfish acts based on greed or desperation with no regard for other people’s equipment, possessions or lifestyle.

But criminals are not always bad people beyond change. I personally know a few ex convicts who have full regret for their previous lifestyle and I’d consider them to be thoughtful, helpful and selfless people

 

[Pete999]

That’s what makes a criminal a criminal. Selfish acts based on greed or desperation with no regard for other people’s equipment, possessions or lifestyle.

But criminals are not always bad people beyond change. I personally know a few ex convicts who have full regret for their previous lifestyle and I’d consider them to be thoughtful, helpful and selfless people

Sorry, I bet they are after spending some time at Her Majesties Pleasure, sorry Mate I can't agree nothing personal.

 

[Darkwood]

The problem is is that there is no deterrent, we have prisons overflowing that government after government are been more lenient on prison terms if they ever get one nowadays. What we need is to put these scum delinquents into labour camps where they work hard to pay back society and they come out never wanting to return, when you got TV, games consoles, hot regular food, a bed then it don't take Einstein to work out why jail is no longer a deterrent.
Bring back national service to straighten them out or labour camps, then see how many re-offend.

 

[MJPD29]

Hateful that you have to save your money to but good quality tools to make your life easier only for someone like this to steal it and either use it or sell it. It's shocking and although this sounds terrible too they won't be missed