Twin and earth in pipe...

[Dustydazzler]

I have popped this in the video section but thought it might make an interesting debate

Handyman Chris has fitted some nice pvc pipe for his cable but rather than use conventional singles has pulled in twin and earth. Which seems odd when you have gone to the effort of fitting conduit pipe why pull in twin and earth.
If you are going to use twin and earth might as well just surface clip it imo

Thoughts

 

[richy3333]

@Dustydazzler I'm not saying he was banned but some rant of a post about me was removed. Anyhow, I like my feline side

 

[hasel5]

Yep different and stunned

 

[Kidsolo]

That is without doubt the ugliest wiring job I have ever seen. What is going to happen when you want to put a bench along one of those walls? you are going to have a 20mm gap between the bench and the wall.
Most of the outlets are up high, the logical and neatest way would be to go over the top and drop down the cavity of the wall. that way all wiring is hidden. you would only have the ones under the windows and the heater outlet that required conduit, but I would pop a sheet of plywood off the wall to run those wires. there is no reason why all those wires couldn't be hidden behind the walls.

There is a huge difference between a tradesman and a handyman.

 

[KennyKen]

At least he showed willing, Unlike another Youtube Nagy wannabe - N Bundy who uses Copex with saddles. Chris even mentions this at the start of the Vid.

A workshop I would of done in a Steel conduit. Depending on equipment maybe even previsions on Stop buttons and DOL starters.

 

[Kidsolo]

A workshop I would of done in a Steel conduit.

Let's be serious. There are perfectly good wall cavities there, why would you use any conduit at all? Conduit doesn't only look terrible, it is going to derate the cable.
Be professional and put the cables where they belong.... out of sight.

 

[Dustydazzler]

Every time I have costed up a domestic garage / shed / workspace for using metal conduit every time it comes out too expensive for the homeowners.
The best I can then offer it normally pvc conduit or mini trunking

 

[Andy78]

Let's be serious. There are perfectly good wall cavities there, why would you use any conduit at all? Conduit doesn't only look terrible, it is going to derate the cable.
Be professional and put the cables where they belong.... out of sight.

There's lots of celotox sheet kicking about so i would think that would be behind the cladding. That's likely to derate the cable anyway if recessed, whether in conduit or not.

 

[Kidsolo]

There's lots of celotox sheet kicking about so i would think that would be behind the cladding.

Regardless of the insulation, the cable should have been run before the sheets were nailed on. Any qualified electrician that has pride in his work and likes to see the job done right, would never run all that conduit when the finished job is easier, quicker and looks so much better by hiding the cables.

You don't seriously think all this conduit looks good?

 

[Koipin]

It would have been a lot neater if it was all hidden behind the boarding.
Hindsight is fantastic though...

 

[Andy78]

Regardless of the insulation, the cable should have been run before the sheets were nailed on. Any qualified electrician that has pride in his work and likes to see the job done right, would never run all that conduit when the finished job is easier, quicker and looks so much better by hiding the cables.

You don't seriously think all this conduit looks good?

Like I said earlier in the thread, my preferred method would be installed behind the cladding, I agree with that totally. I was just picking up the point about derating, which in this case would neither here nor there.

 

[Dustydazzler]

Conduit run horizontally looks a bit naff at the best of times. If it were my shed I would have run the cable around up in the rafters and dropped down in short bits of conduit just for the drops.
I might have even been tempted to use galv for the drops if money and time were aplenty...

 

[Lister1987]

Stupid question, how do we know this wasn't just what the client wanted?

 

[Dustydazzler]

Stupid question, how do we know this wasn't just what the client wanted?

A homeowner specifically asking for 20mm drops and 25mm horizontal runs ? I doubt it very much....

 

[Lister1987]

I meant surface run in conduit, but I suspect if that was the case they would asked for it in galv.

 

[Simon47]

Yuck
Aesthetically, the way he's gone up to one socket then across to the next looks naff. I' have either put a tee box centrally between the two sockets or had two vertical runs.
And as for the way the in and out at the light switch don't line up, that's just offensive
But then we see the outside connections - WTF !
Why didn't he cut the hole in the back of the box before fitting it, and then use an adapter and bush to fit the conduit properly to the back of it ? And he might have considered doing the back of the socket so as not to completely compromise the ingress protection of the socket
There's more, but I think that's enough.