Unqualified, inexperienced badged "electricians"

[highspark]

How can we put an end to this drivel? Why is there people out there unqualified and inexperienced bluffing their way into work. Taking work from fully qualified time served lads?Theres a couple in my area. Driving round in vans with schemes tatooed all over them. They look the biz - the outfit. But I know they are not electricians. They are chancers bluffing their way through. The 17th Edition minimum requirement to have a schemes backing...its a farce. The problem I have is the customers can't differenciate from a fully qualified. 17th edition, 2391, tech cert nvq3 electrician from a 17th edition short course idiot! It boils my blood

 

[telectrix]

25 years? newcomer then.LOL.

 

[highspark]

im sure from 1st jan you have to be at least NVQ level 3 before you can join a Part P scheme.

Never happened mate. It was all rubbish. This is what needs to come into force so badly

 

[Engineer54]

from 1st jan you have to be at least NVQ level 3 before you can join a Part P scheme

Did not the Niceic scupper that idea, at least temporarily whilst they think about how to generate another cash cow ?

I think they ALL did!! would have cost them an absolute fortune!! I dare say, they'll bring out there own NVQ level 3, one that you can't fail to achieve!! Something like Napits own version of C&G 2391 but not worth a light outside of Nappit...lol!!!

 

[telectrix]

so what about guys that went through their time before nvq was even thought of?

 

[topcat]

I would like to say that Iam in agrement with DNS1 some of us have had to take the easy way in because their is no other way. But I have found a local guy who will let me shadow him and learn with him I would not dream of looking at a full rewire on my own for a while but have to start some where and have found most people in this game are open and frendly.

 

[ipf]

There'll be a chap with a silk scarf and posh accent shouting "TROUBLE IN THE COCKPIT CHAPS?"

''CHOCS AWAY, use the crimps and heatshrink''

 

[nickblake]

like it lol , Im having my next elecsa assesment tomorrow panicing like buggery why im not sure , this week ive found 2 installations with floating earths both connected to an unconnected earth block obviousley install was not tested other wise it would be noticed , also a new house with the polarity incorrect on es wall lights ,a hot tub with the bubbles pump upside down with the cable entries on the top (did point this out to the house holder who called in the hot tub guys and the cut and fixed a plastic 5ltr bottle over the top) i ask you why just why lol ,think ill just plod on

 

[brucelee]

Hi my take on it is its all a scam

I had a aprrenticeship 25yr ago and to my great regret and being a 16 -17 yr thinking i wasnt learning enough and being used as a lacky gave it up
i have been involved on and off with electrical installation for last 25 yrs doing New build domestic , rewires some commercial and little industrial mainly through lack of quals i have not been and for last few yrs because the mrs was left disabled
I decided the only way for me to get back into what i always wanted to do was gain the right qualifications
After repeatedly contacting jokecentre and any other organisation i could i was basically told there was no training or funding and because of being a carer there was no help
so i had to pay private for a rip off course after contacting a few colleges and getting no reply after much googling
I paid £4020 for 6 weeks practical training and theory a megger 1552 , bs7671, OSG a large folder of notes, ck toolkit and 2382-10, 2377, 2393, and a logic full scope and defined scopes award which yes now i know isnt prob worth the paper
i enjoyed the course felt i learned a lot in a very short time but it is very rushed
then when i finished i noticed all employers were asking for 2391
So i enrolled on 8 week evening course and studied at home for 4months every day 12 hrs + a day and with the 8 evenings felt i knew enough for the exam
I took the exam in june 2010 and passed first time only 4 of us did in the class out of 10 I was the only one not working in the industry all the rest were so called fully qualified electricians
I then decided i wanted to learn more so again i contacted every college within a 100 mile radius to get on 2330 sept 2010 but i was initialy told there was a place then there wasnt
after speaking to a tutor i was told not to bother with lv2 as they said it would be a waste of time for me
I said i aint bothered i would start on lv1 if i had to
then In march 2011 i tried again as i heard 2330 and 2356 was ending the tutor rang me back on last so called registration day 31.3.11 at 3.30 and asked me if i could get there and enrol for 4 i was in, quick drive in rush hr and enrolled was due to start april when i turned as I knew C&G had extended and the course i was due to start was cancelled as all the lv2 who had been fast tracked onto lv3 had gone back to lv2 to finish off properly
in the end had to sit in with them just doing sample lv2 papers testing my knowledge to see what i knew and didnt
then in sept 2011 started lv3 and done a 302 practical before xmas got a distinction all rest of class havnt done theres yet because of my 2391 tutor just chucked me in for it lol
anyway still on the course and got me 301 on the 1st march

My experience of private or college is
fast track is very rushed and doesnt cover enough on 3 phase but very intense and i prefer it
college is very slow and all you get is hand outs and maybe 1 calculation on inductive reactance or capactive reactance at the bottom and that according to C&G requirements and syllabus is it
there is very little practical and have been told it was same on lv2
college isnt the holy grail of studying
at the end of it all i found i learned the most from studying myself
i will keep you upto date on how the rest of it goes

I Only wish i had kept my apprenticeship up as that was looking back a more in depth way of studying the theory and as it was 6 weeks at college theory in the mornings and practical afternoons 4 weeks at work it was a whole lot better way of learning and understanding
I am also trying to complete a NVQ which will be the most difficult as i am a carer and the work i have had to do so far has been domestic with no containment with metal conduit or trunking etc and i have registered and passed with elecsa and got a A i didnt need to look in the regs for the answers as i knew them but for some things showed him were they were located in the regs
Its all down to the person
every scheme,course is just a scam and ripoff like the new regs etc all just another way of taxing people

and at the end of the day its knowing your limitations on what you are competent with and what your not could i walk into a industrial plant and be competent no
But if i went in with someone who is i would learn quickly enough
there should be one set of quals and should include a lot more practical experience in the real world as at the end of the day like any job thats were you really learn how to do it like driving the theory is all well and good but what about the actual driving
I am trying to set up self employed but also trying to gain employment with a qualified experienced electrician to learn from someone who knows

the old ways were the best but they are long gone

 

[SPARTYKUS]

so what about guys that went through their time before nvq was even thought of?

My grandad never took a driving test, his licence was handed to him in the war and he got on with it. Never felt safer with himat the wheel,


Well that is after he'd done the 30 years for the bus crash (just kidding)

 

[alarm man]

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Some of the posters here come over as nasty wingers, which, on a public forum does the industry no good at all.

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its not whinging thats makes the industry bad,its the lack of training

 

[highspark]

Old guys can sit the course aswell as the new guys. I Personally think that upgrading to newer quals can only benefit you. Nothing taken away from old quals their probably worth more than any new one. But where's the harm in getting up to date

 

[ipf]

Top notch topcat. No arguments there pal, that's the way to do it.:iagree:

 

[Des 56]

so what about guys that went through their time before nvq was even thought of?

They are often found in old quarries,they fossilise pretty quick I reckon

 

[Marvo]

Some of the posters here come over as nasty wingers, which, on a public forum does the industry no good at all.

There are good Electricians, bad electricians, good DI's and bad DI's.

I'm inclined to agree, the short courses have certainly split the electrical trade but I've yet to see anyone show any firm evidence that domestic installers are not equipped to do their job. There's very little constructive ideas being given about where you can go from here.

I can fully understand the frustration of time served electricians but surely the door has been opened and the horse is long gone, what's done is too far down the road to be undone and I'm guessing there are now thousands of DI's around all intent on making an honest living. You've got the politicians, the schemes and the governing bodies to blame for that can't hold it against people who've come through the system surely?

 

[telectrix]

They are often found in old quarries,they fossilise pretty quick I reckon.

that's the southern boyos, mate. us celtic races go on forever.