Unqualified, inexperienced badged "electricians"

[highspark]

How can we put an end to this drivel? Why is there people out there unqualified and inexperienced bluffing their way into work. Taking work from fully qualified time served lads?Theres a couple in my area. Driving round in vans with schemes tatooed all over them. They look the biz - the outfit. But I know they are not electricians. They are chancers bluffing their way through. The 17th Edition minimum requirement to have a schemes backing...its a farce. The problem I have is the customers can't differenciate from a fully qualified. 17th edition, 2391, tech cert nvq3 electrician from a 17th edition short course idiot! It boils my blood

 

[Engineer54]

Well MICC will certainly show you the men from the boy's...lol But in reality, it's not a difficult cable to work with at all. You obviously have to know how to make the ends off properly, and know how to dress the cable, along with it's installation restrictions. (which isn't many) But once you have that under your belt, your away... lol!!


The difficulty if any is when installing the bigger MICC cables, as once you get to 16mm and above, dressing can be a bitch without the proper tools like the wheeled cable straighteners and the bending tools...

OK maybe a little simplistic, as you would need a bit of experience in working with the stuff, to be proficient, but it's certainly not rocket science. In my opinion, one of the best cable types ever to be invented, and looks the dogs whatsits when professionally installed....

 

[telectrix]

and polished with brasso.

 

[alarm man]

With nonsense comments like that I begin to wonder if you're just trying to start an argument.

me..no just replying to forum posts with my opinion,thats what the gigs all about..you read posts you agree on some disagree on others

 

[Des 56]

they were like mini-me only not as good looking.

Now that is what I call a spark who speaks with confidence in his ability and his image

Do domestic installers have this confidence ?
If you do and you you wanna be a spark,just post up your image and everyone can vote you in or out lol

No offence meant to my fellow uglies

 

[Engineer54]

There is a very big difference between domestic work and commercial/industrial as we all know.

Yes, electricity is always dangerous, regardless of where the installation is, but simple domestic installations need a lot less knowledge than industrial. Less knowledge, less to learn, shorter course...

And the very reason there shouldn't be this ''Domestic Installer'' designation, your either an electrician or your NOT!! Folk with a little knowledge are more dangerous than those with none. .....But often think they know More than they actually do!!!

 

[telectrix]

like mini-me only not as good looking.

typical essex.

 

[ipf]

You're not looking at the fact that many highly experienced tradesmen use the 5 week courses as a way into the trade....

Seriously, how much is an experienced plumber or builder going to learn about domestic from a 3 year apprenticeship? Not much other than the theory and classroom stuff, which is exactly what is taught on the 5 week courses.

This exact sort of argument happens in the aviation game (my line of work). 50% of commercial pilots are ex-RAF, or have started flying boxes in single engine light aircraft and made their way up. 50% have done 18 months at a training scheme and gone straight on to the flight deck of an Airbus or Boeing. Doesn't make them bad pilots!

As said previously, working as an apprentice, under the supervision of a fully qualified and experienced electrician, offers a fallback. Where is the supervision for a Electrical Trainee ???? Stood in front of the next batch, almost ready to be released to the unsuspecting !!!!!

 

[nickblake]

Ive been in the trade for 25 years now ,i started off watching , making mistakes when that was how you learnt ,now a three week course and your qualified well not quite talking im sure from 1st jan you have to be at least NVQ level 3 before you can join a Part P scheme , used to love doing mims cool stuff you realy could get it to look neat , i do think the problem these days is the dont care attitude if you get a good apprentice you keep them so many times i ve had the grumpy lad with a base ball cap chewing gum and stating im shattered at 2.30 in the afternoon bring back the 5 year appretership thats what i say

 

[ipf]

I know what you all mean about incompetent unqualified people being a danger, but i'm a "Domestic Installer" and i've worked alongside a number of "Fully Qualified" electricians and some of their work is shocking (no pun intended). Some don't even bother to test and just make the results up. On one job that I was helping out a fully qualified electrician finish wiring a new annex, they weren't even going to test before energising the new installation, I insisted that some tests should be done only to find out there was no earth on the house or the new annex!

My point is, just because someone is "fully qualified" it doesn't necessarily mean they are going to do a better job than a Domestic Installer.

True....can't disagree. But you can't say that's going to be the happen in the majority of cases. There are examples of everything and anything.

 

[Engineer54]

like mini-me only not as good looking.

typical essex.

What's the matter then ?? Us Essex lads can't help being blessed with good looks!! lol!!!

 

[Octopus]

Personally I don't there's a right or wrong in all this debate when there are so many DIY'ers, builders, plumbers, etc, etc, doing notifiable work which they don't.

Like it or not a Electrical Trainee is more likely than not to have PL insurance, scheme membership and the knowledge that goes with scheme membership.

So who would you rather have in to do work on your mum's house?

If you don't like it why don't you go off, qualify at night school as an accountant and set up your own business?? or maybe do the same as a brickie. Or as a mechanic and start your own garage??

The biggest issue facing UK plc, is the fact that there are so few opportunities for the young to get a good training and for the more mature the options are even fewer.

Some of the posters here come over as nasty whingers, which, on a public forum does the industry no good at all.

There are good Electricians, bad electricians, good DI's and bad DI's.

 

[SPARTYKUS]

id imagine their having the same discussion on the piolts forum..

There'll be a chap with a silk scarf and posh accent shouting "TROUBLE IN THE COCKPIT CHAPS?"

 

[Des 56]

from 1st jan you have to be at least NVQ level 3 before you can join a Part P scheme

Did not the Niceic scupper that idea, at least temporarily whilst they think about how to generate another cash cow ?

 

[telectrix]

probably. reminds one of mel brooks in blazing saddles " we've got to protect our ********* jobs, harumph".

 

[alarm man]

Ive been in the trade for 25 years now ,i started off watching , making mistakes when that was how you learnt ,now a three week course and your qualified well not quite talking im sure from 1st jan you have to be at least NVQ level 3 before you can join a Part P scheme , used to love doing mims cool stuff you realy could get it to look neat , i do think the problem these days is the dont care attitude if you get a good apprentice you keep them so many times i ve had the grumpy lad with a base ball cap chewing gum and stating im shattered at 2.30 in the afternoon bring back the 5 year appretership thats what i say

old school dinosaur...:wink5: