Unqualified, inexperienced badged "electricians"

[highspark]

How can we put an end to this drivel? Why is there people out there unqualified and inexperienced bluffing their way into work. Taking work from fully qualified time served lads?Theres a couple in my area. Driving round in vans with schemes tatooed all over them. They look the biz - the outfit. But I know they are not electricians. They are chancers bluffing their way through. The 17th Edition minimum requirement to have a schemes backing...its a farce. The problem I have is the customers can't differenciate from a fully qualified. 17th edition, 2391, tech cert nvq3 electrician from a 17th edition short course idiot! It boils my blood

 

[ipf]

They are often found in old quarries,they fossilise pretty quick I reckon.

that's the southern boyos, mate. us celtic races go on forever.

and ever..........

 

[alarm man]

I'm inclined to agree, the short courses have certainly split the electrical trade but I've yet to see anyone show any firm evidence that domestic installers are not equipped to do their job. There's very little constructive ideas being given about where you can go from here.

I can fully understand the frustration of time served electricians but surely the door has been opened and the horse is long gone, what's done is too far down the road to be undone and I'm guessing there are now thousands of DI's around all intent on making an honest living. You've got the politicians, the schemes and the governing bodies to blame for that can't hold it against people who've come through the system surely?

the flipside to that,is some feel they have missed the boat,the mid life crisis thing,i should have done it years ago,im bored sitting in an office need something new etc etc..some will say try something new, 50 is the new 20,some will say tough,youve missed the boat and its sailed off,dont jump on my boat at the end of the voyage.you make your choice in life and you have to go with it.

 

[Engineer54]

I'm inclined to agree, the short courses have certainly split the electrical trade but I've yet to see anyone show any firm evidence that domestic installers are not equipped to do their job. There's very little constructive ideas being given about where you can go from here.

I can fully understand the frustration of time served electricians but surely the door has been opened and the horse is long gone, what's done is too far down the road to be undone and I'm guessing there are now thousands of DI's around all intent on making an honest living. You've got the politicians, the schemes and the governing bodies to blame for that can't hold it against people who've come through the system surely?

You mean you haven't been reading the questions that are constantly being asked on the forum?? The questions that in all honesty you would expect from a 1st year trainee. That should be telling you, that in the most part, they are not suitably equipped to do their job...

No-one really having a pop at the guys themselves, at least the ones that KNOW there limitations.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

the way i see it..is to do away with these 5 week "become an electrician" courses altogether....full stop.......now then, we all know that aint gonna happen but theres no way that you can gain the necessary knowledge in 5 weeks......so its effectively learning whilst installing (on other peoples properties)...and that just aint on. there needs to be a an ethos and incentive for those wishing to get into this trade to go down the college route (2330, 2357) . seems to me that many thinks that they should be able to waltz into this without really putting any effort in......they see the 3 years at college as a chore.....

 

[ipf]

There's good and bad everywhere, it's the one increasing that p***** everybody off. With things as they are that is only going to increase.IMHO.

 

[topcat]

I have looked at some of the questions being asked and some times think they are asked by DIY people who are lookking for answers remeber any one can sign up they dont have to show they are who they say they are to my mind it is better for some one to ask the question than do the job wrong.

 

[DNS1]

Any of you guys with your own businesses prepared to pay minimum wage for a labourer/apprentice, so someone other than a 16 year old living with mum and dad can afford to do one?

I'm guessing not...

Apprenticeship is NOT an option for an adult, so there HAVE to be other methods of entry. Exactly as I was saying earlier, there HAD to be another method to becoming a pilot other than being in the RAF. Schemes were introduced and the standard of commercial flying has never been higher....

 

[Des 56]

commercial flying has never been higher

I love these one liners

 

[johnboy6083]

commercial flying has never been higher

I love these one liners

i prefer air liners!

 

[Engineer54]

Any of you guys with your own businesses prepared to pay minimum wage for a labourer/apprentice, so someone other than a 16 year old living with mum and dad can afford to do one?

I'm guessing not...

Apprenticeship is NOT an option for an adult, so there HAVE to be other methods of entry. Exactly as I was saying earlier, there HAD to be another method to becoming a pilot other than being in the RAF. Schemes were introduced and the standard of commercial flying has never been higher....

Who said so, the pilot scheme trainers??

If only we could say the same for the electrical industry of today!! lol!!!

 

[DNS1]

Who said so, the pilot scheme trainers??

Nope, the airlines themselves.

 

[ipf]

i prefer air liners!

What about BINLINERS (take it easy, not serious)

 

[Engineer54]

Nope, the airlines themselves.

Would you expect them to say any different?? Think about it ...lol!!!

 

[DNS1]

Would you expect them to say any different?? Think about it ...lol!!!

I think about it a lot, this is my area of expertise!

 

[Engineer54]

So you would think that these airlines would actually turn round and say the standard of pilot training has dropped over the years if it actually had?? I don't think so myself, they would cutting their own throats!!