Unqualified, inexperienced badged "electricians"

[highspark]

How can we put an end to this drivel? Why is there people out there unqualified and inexperienced bluffing their way into work. Taking work from fully qualified time served lads?Theres a couple in my area. Driving round in vans with schemes tatooed all over them. They look the biz - the outfit. But I know they are not electricians. They are chancers bluffing their way through. The 17th Edition minimum requirement to have a schemes backing...its a farce. The problem I have is the customers can't differenciate from a fully qualified. 17th edition, 2391, tech cert nvq3 electrician from a 17th edition short course idiot! It boils my blood

 

[tomski]

Unfortunately I don't think this will go away like others have said on here, and yes it's true some of the people taking these micky mouse couses had previoulsy worked in the trade, maybe as an electricians mate so they have at least a ertain amount of experience. However it does not change theact that most of these people haven't a bloody clue when they go out into te real world yetey're being set free to go and work in people's houses! It's madness! And it's an insult to those who could be arsed to go through the recognised apprenticeship scheme of 4 or further back 5 years. At one wholesaler I use there's a young lad behind the counter he's training on bloody line! And once outside that same wholesaler I saw a van pull up with 'City & Guilds qualified' on the side, erm so what about the rest? and being approved?? For anyone who did train the proper way make sure you put on your adverts time-seved and experienced I always do it's one advantage we have over the rest

 

[DNS1]

Blimey, I take a week away from the forum and 20 odd pages appear!

My question is this...

Why do people keep insisting that to do domestic electrics, everyone should do the 2330 (or equivalent) and spend years learning industrial electrics too?

If I want to drive a taxi for a living, no-one makes me learn to drive a HGV as well. If I want to work on a fish trawler, I'm not going to be made to get experience on the QE2 first...

 

[grimysparks80]

"If I want to drive a taxi for a living, no-one makes me learn to drive a HGV as well. If I want to work on a fish trawler, I'm not going to be made to get experience on the QE2 first..."


The only thing about that is if you did 5 weeks of driving lessons and passed your test I doubt many people would want to take you on as such an inexperienced driver.

I dont have a huge problem with the 5 week course itself. I just feel there should be some sort of experience requirement as well, of at least a year. And an acknowledgement of the value of a four year apprenticeship.

Ive been in the trade for 11 years now. I have one years experience of heavy commercial stuff and the other ten years are light commercial and domestic. I would quite rightly struggle to get an industrial job as I just dont have the experience, but it does bother me that its very difficult to get the experience in the first place.

With the lack of decent apprenticeships i often wonder what will happen when the current lot of industrial electricians retire.

 

[Octopus]

What is lacking in the industry, as a whole is ANY policing of the schemes or the actual people doing the work, the members AND the plethora of plumbers, bathroom fitters, kitchen fitters and buildings doing sub standard work.

Building control don't appear to give 2 hoots judging by some of the lash ups I've seen recently on extensions which are WIP.

 

[telectrix]

i don't lay bricks, install cenrtal heating pipes, fit bathrooms or kitchens. why the hell are they even considering touching electrical work. each to his own, i say.

 

[Andy 7671]

Well, in truth I admire either side who know their trade consumately.

11 years as JIB trainee in industrial/ commercial, just when I think yeah Im good enough something pops up and Im there scratching my head.

All mine has been insatll, last 6 months maintenance, motors, inhibits, panel mods ( which I couldnt do) so much I dont know.

Domestic ..get your own work, courteous,fiscal acumen, flexible patient jeez

Whatever field it is a responsible learned profession, with dire consequences if not carried out correctly.

I doff my hat to any who do a quality install, anyone who just says yeah itll do, domestic or industrial should be looking for another trade.

Now...whos for a game of pool.

 

[trev]

i don't lay bricks, install cenrtal heating pipes, fit bathrooms or kitchens. why the hell are they even considering touching electrical work. each to his own, i say.

With the exception of gas work if anything needs doing in our home I do it, because I think I'm clever enough and diligent enough to do a good safe tidy job whether it be basic plumbing, hanging a door, a bit of plastering or whatever. I'll not touch gas because I have a good mate who is gas safe registered. However, no matter how good a job I can do at home I would not dream of going to somebody else's home and taking money from them for doing a job which I am not qualified to do and that to me is the way it should be. Like Tel said, each to his own

 

[DNS1]

I've the same trev. Just been doing a kitchen renovation, right back to the brickwork. Done the lot myself including the plastering, plumbing etc.

Only thing I've not touched is the gas, paid a pro to do that.

But, as you've said I'd never sell my work to anyone else (asides from the obvious friends and family, who know I'm just an experienced amateur)

 

[UNG]

Blimey, I take a week away from the forum and 20 odd pages appear!

My question is this...

Why do people keep insisting that to do domestic electrics, everyone should do the 2330 (or equivalent) and spend years learning industrial electrics too?

Because you have no core electrical qualification without it

If I want to drive a taxi for a living, no-one makes me learn to drive a HGV as well. If I want to work on a fish trawler, I'm not going to be made to get experience on the QE2 first...

In London people spend years doing "the knowledge" to drive a taxi I don't think they do a 5 week course for that. But personally I don't give a two hoots about other jobs or trades and all the half baked examples you keep posting a qualified electrician is properly qualified with a C&G 2330 or he ain't an electrician the peripheral certs don't count on there own in my book

I've the same trev. Just been doing a kitchen renovation, right back to the brickwork. Done the lot myself including the plastering, plumbing etc.

Only thing I've not touched is the gas, paid a pro to do that.

But, as you've said I'd never sell my work to anyone else (asides from the obvious friends and family, who know I'm just an experienced amateur)

But you continue to promote and advocate the use of unqualified electricians by suggesting you don't need a C&G 2330

 

[DNS1]

But you continue to promote and advocate the use of unqualified electricians by suggesting you don't need a C&G 2330

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but 2330 is not the only electrical qualification available...

Plenty of people around doing perfectly good domestic electrics without it.

 

[UNG]

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but 2330 is not the only electrical qualification available...

Well you'll have to enlighten me and the rest of us then as a google search for "electrical installation qualifications" apart from the C&G 2330 and 2357 the only other hit is a BTEC level 3 so while you are correct that there is not only the 2330 there is a limited choice

Plenty of people around doing perfectly good domestic electrics without it.

And there are as many if not more installing poor quality possibly untested dangerous C**P probably due to a lack of qualifications. How many qualified guys on this forum ask questions about bread and butter electrical work having spent years learning it in the first place, yet these 2 minute wonders can't afford to spend any longer than that learning the trade and ask questions that scream a lack of competence and knowledge and call themselves electricians

I can only assume by your open support of unqualified electricians and the fact you openly advocate not needing core electrical qualifications that you are a part of or product of the quick training system as no self respecting fully qualified electrician could agree with what you are saying

 

[Engineer54]

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but 2330 is not the only electrical qualification available...

Plenty of people around doing perfectly good domestic electrics without it.

How do you know, ...been round testing and inspecting there new works have you??

Look, every electrician needs a Core C&G, that as i understand it is the 2330 at the moment!!

An electrician that has only ever worked on or in domestic installations is not an electrician because he's not qualified to work outside of the domestic sector. He would come under this so-called new handle ''Domestic Installer'' !! Don't get these people confused with electricians, that have the qualifications and generally the experience to work in any field of electrical work!! I am not saying those qualified electricians that work in the domestic sector are not electricians, i'm not!! What i'm saying is there is a big difference between a so-called qualified DI and a qualified Electrician. And one is, the DIs tend NOT to have any core C&G!!!!

 

[DNS1]

And there are as many if not more installing poor quality possibly untested dangerous C**P probably due to a lack of qualifications

Maybe you could explain why my electrics are poor quality and untested?

I may not have the 2330, but ALL work I do and will ever do is compliant with 17th edition and part P, and tested as necessary.

The term "electrician" does not only refer to people who work on industrial electrics.

 

[Engineer54]

It certainly doesn't apply to a low qualified Domestic Installer!!! I would suggest that an industrial electrician has far more right to be classed as an Electrician than a DI!! Who basically has no right at all, if the truth be known!!! The only people that recognise them is Part Pee, ...Enough Said!! lol!

 

[DNS1]

You can use the term "pilot" to refer to someone who delivers mail in a Cessna as well as someone who flies a jumbo.

You can use the term "actor" for someone who's on stage at the local theatre as well as Brad Pitt...

Why does "electrician" only refer to the top dogs in the industrial game then?