Unqualified, inexperienced badged "electricians"

[highspark]

How can we put an end to this drivel? Why is there people out there unqualified and inexperienced bluffing their way into work. Taking work from fully qualified time served lads?Theres a couple in my area. Driving round in vans with schemes tatooed all over them. They look the biz - the outfit. But I know they are not electricians. They are chancers bluffing their way through. The 17th Edition minimum requirement to have a schemes backing...its a farce. The problem I have is the customers can't differenciate from a fully qualified. 17th edition, 2391, tech cert nvq3 electrician from a 17th edition short course idiot! It boils my blood

 

[Guest112]

Perhaps the DI's should have a green ''L'' plate. It works for new drivers.

haha spot on mate your right

 

[Marvo]

Did anyone get my calculus joke? Never attempted one before.

I also noticed that interest in your calculus joke was rapidly approaching zero.

 

[needasparks]

I also noticed that interest in your calculus joke was rapidly approaching zero.

I did see it, but it did not drop in at first till he had to explain it and no one likes to explain a joke.
I feel embarrassed now. I'll go stand in the corner, anyone joining me ?

 

[Engineer54]

I take most of these quotes of older fully qualified electricians acting like beginners or chancers with a large pinch of salt. There has always been, and probably always will be, a bad element of such bad qualified guys, but no-where like on the scale it must be for the Electrical Trainee DI element...

I honestly think it's just used as an argument in most cases to substantiate the numbty designation of being a Domestic Installer!!...

 

[alarm man]

A domestic installer is a chancer though. He/she isn't experienced enough to have the name "ELECTRICIAN" branded across their vans. The problem I am talking about is that customers cannot differenciate between fully qualified and a chancer and all domestic Electrical Trainee are chancers! My wholesaler told me someone came in and asked for a 5.5mm earth....to which he said what for? The nearest we do is 6mm...but why do you need it. He said for the main earth. He said what? Chancer said well I've just done the adiabetic equation and I need a 5.5mm....Wholesaler said well what size is your bonding...to which he said 10mm....he was the laughing stock of the shop and the wholesaler was telling everyone. Inexperience, not a clue rubbish from someone trying to make people think he knows what he is doing. The blokes driving round in a sign written van with a scheme splashed all over it...incompetent twerp isn't the word. The same bloke was putting 4mm twin and earth radials in a house about 25m2.....just following the regs!

they are changing the logo for di's to use to stop confusion..

 

[highspark]

they are changing the logo for di's to use to stop confusion..

Lol take that as a joke?

 

[alarm man]

Lol take that as a joke?

dam..

from the eca website

logo for real sparks..



di's logo

 

[needasparks]

My take on the whole thing is it was introduced for kitchen fitters and similar as a safer option to move sockets and make sure protection was in place etc. Unfortunately it has left a loophole for less experienced people to take work on that they, lets be honest, were not fully trained to do.
In a world of people losing jobs and re-training to put bread on the table (which i'm sure we would all do) or starting up on their own it is an easy way to get up the ladder. Its a shame the public are their guinea pigs and i'm sure they will learn in time but the regulations don't tell you how to do a job and no two are the same. It all started by an MP and i hope sometime soon the same MP has a Electrical Trainee turn up at his house real soon and all this them and us can come to an end.

 

[SPARTYKUS]

My take on the whole thing is it was introduced for kitchen fitters and similar as a safer option to move sockets and make sure protection was in place etc. Unfortunately it has left a loophole for less experienced people to take work on that they, lets be honest, were not fully trained to do.
In a world of people losing jobs and re-training to put bread on the table (which i'm sure we would all do) or starting up on their own it is an easy way to get up the ladder. Its a shame the public are their guinea pigs and i'm sure they will learn in time but the regulations don't tell you how to do a job and no two are the same. It all started by an MP and i hope sometime soon the same MP has a Electrical Trainee turn up at his house real soon and all this them and us can come to an end.

....er, but the MP it started with had a bereavement in the house as a result of dodgy workmanship.... don't wish anymore on them dude.

 

[needasparks]

Ok then, perhaps a building inspector, no one likes them. Nahh, stick with the MP.

 

[DNS1]

I really think we need to find a way of distinguishing between the 5 week wonder people...

Big difference between someone who's never touched a screwdriver until he did the course, and a person with donkeys years of experience in other trades, or an engineering background, who does the 5 week course as it's the only way in.

It's really not fair to kick off about "domestic installers" like they're a lower form of life.

I'm new to the electrics game, but I can't do a 3 year apprenticeship. I can't afford to, I have a mortgage and bills to pay.

I'm doing a short course (not a £8k one, a "proper" one from a local place), but I'm also working my arse off with the books, I've got an engineering/maths background and have donkeys years of experience with plumbing/plastering/building work and plan to do everything to the very best of my ability and only when I feel confident to do it.

It's quite upsetting to have people talk about me like I'm scum of the earth because I'm not 16 years old and with the luxury of being able to do a full apprenticeship.

Of course there are people out there who are led astray by the bull**** from the "training providers" (give us £10k and you'll be god's gift to the sparky world), but there are also a hell of a lot of us who just want to do domestic work and earn an honest living.

 

[RWJ]

I really think we need to find a way of distinguishing between the 5 week wonder people..

Making off Pryo!!

 

[telectrix]

fair comment. i myself came into the trade from an engine beering background. it's the ex . office workers mainly that don't have a clue, even after passing a course. we can all write or talk a good job, but it takes experience to be able to do it right and in a reasonable time scale, good on you for knowing your limitations and doing what you feel competent with.

 

[telectrix]

Making off Pryo!!

now , i'm not too confident with that. i can do it, but slow. just hardly ever done any micc, most of my industrial work was SWA and in containment.

 

[DurhamSparky]

i never touched pyro other than to change a metal back box and facia...!

FP is more common dog now!!