Went to quote an Inspection today......

[needasparks]

Got called to quote an Inspection this morning and thought you all would like to see some work care of a local sparks....

This is a yacht club. customer informed me that 'all work done by a sparks who did a cert last year for insurance comp but we can't get hold of him for this year can you do us one'.

So took a few pics and just had to share with you.
I should add, i did not open or remove anything to take these shots. its open air

 

[SPARTYKUS]

So he missed a few cleats and used a bit too much tape, give the guy a break :wacko:

 

[needasparks]

Perhaps he did PIR it with a load of code 1's & 2's that the client has ignored, and now, he does not want to get involved?...

From what i was told it was the same sparks who did the work so don't think he would know what a code 1 was.

Oh the best bit was last year the sparks did say i think you could do with a stronger earth.......PMSL at this.
I asked if he thought it might be an idea to at least put doors on the outside meter c/boards but he said they may have had doors once but can't remeber when.....!

 

[trev]

they may have had doors once but can't remeber when.....!

Until then I was doing well holding the tears back.

 

[netblindpaul]

Ah OK fair cop.
Do the PIR you've nothing to loose, but, do it with reg nos along side your codes & observations so that you can't be pulled up to say that it is not a relevant comment.
After all no reg number, no code.

 

[ruston]

It's probably just been lashed up over the years from those in the club "that know a bit ". I doubt it's ever had a certificate or report of any kind. This is probably the first time they have been asked for one.

If I were to do a report for them I would want paying first , because when they get it I doubt if they will pay.

 

[needasparks]

I think Marvo got there number in post 12.
i don't think they can afford the inspection so i know the re-wiring/remedial costs won't happen.

 

[1shortcircuit]

Is this place really worth your time and effort? You'll spend all the time it takes covering your arse and producing an informative report knowing full well nothing will be rectified. I think personally you should get the person ordering the works to take a reality check and explain if they're not prepared to open their wallet and correct the remedials then you're not interested it wasting your time:thumbsup

 

[trev]

Is this place really worth your time and effort? You'll spend all the time it takes covering your arse and producing an informative report knowing full well nothing will be rectified. I think personally you should get the person ordering the works to take a reality check and explain if they're not prepared to open their wallet and correct the remedials then you're not interested it wasting your time:thumbsup

On the other hand he could bowl up for the EICR, tell it like it is and score a shedload of cash for putting all that nonsense right.
In the real world however, it aint gonna happen really is it?

 

[1shortcircuit]

On the other hand he could bowl up for the EICR, tell it like it is and score a shedload of cash for putting all that nonsense right.
In the real world however, it aint gonna happen really is it?

This is where the "Reality check" come ino play, just a few words will quickly assess the intentions of the client. Who knows, it could be a new owner that has just been passed on information and has a kitty to tuck into to make sure everything is in "Ship" shape lol As mentioned though, very unlikely.

Question is, would you like to hear of that place burning to the floor or lives being lost and your name being associated to it? People won't get to know the part about you listing X amount of code 1's and 2's. It'll just be XYnZ electricals last worked on the electrics! NOT GOOD for business, I personally would rather walk away but that is my mentality. It's also the reason I'll probably never be rolling in money lol

 

[trev]

Question is, would you like to hear of that place burning to the floor or lives being lost and your name being associated to it? People won't get to know the part about you listing X amount of code 1's and 2's. It'll just be XYnZ electricals last worked on the electrics! NOT GOOD for business, I personally would rather walk away but that is my mentality. It's also the reason I'll probably never be rolling in money lol

That's why before I do an EICR I get the clients written permission that if I find a code 1 I can
put it right. If I don't get that permission I don 't do the inspection

 

[needasparks]

I have to agree with all the points about not wanting to pay for the corrective works etc and i must say that was my first thought when i saw the state of the place but the testing is just money for old rope (not a pun btw) we know the place is gonna major fail and most of it on cable size which i did not highlight in the photo's. My take is if they are prepared to pay for a correct test then who am i to judge, but also this got me thinking on the £100k boats moored at said place, we all know the people that own these are a bit well to do so even at the worst case i get a chance of new customers. My boy is also at college so it would also be a great for him to see all the bodges you can find on a job you rarely find in one place. And get paid for it.

 

[richy3333]

I'd ask to see the insurance companies letter of request, so you know exactly what your terms of reference are. My last PIR the insurers stipulsated the report had to be done within a certain period and all P1s and P2s had to be rectified

 

[needasparks]

don't think the rectification side should make a blind bit of difference to the test, they can do with that as they will.
But i get your point if i'm asked to carry out these works, I think I would take a better interest in the request. However, the installation would have to be corrected to at least a standard I was happy with, knowing my door would be the first one knocked on if something happend.

 

[mogga]

Your being asked to carry out an Inspection and test of the installation Having seen the pictures Id make sure your TsnCs have something about isolating code1s untill rectified and that on conpletion a list of isolated items shell be handed to client along with quote to mkake these safe
if they dont agree to this on TnC id walk away as there will be no remedials just a sheet of papaer for insurance company to lose untill something happens

 

[Engineer54]

Surely, you have been requested to price, what is a PIR, not pricing for rectification work on any code 1's that you may find. I can understand if a code 1 fault was a simple fix, but not if it involved any major works to rectify. That could put them at the hands of a rouge electrician (which i'm not implying in any way that YOU are...lol)) that could take them to the cleaners, and still may not end-up with a safe installation...

If i was a client in this position, i would want to see the completed report along with any supporting referencing data. I would then have the choice of requesting the guy carrying out the report to undertake the remedial works or get quotations from a number of contractors or qualified electricians.

First conduct the EICR following the recognised standards that are attached to such an inspection, list and quote Reg numbers for all/any deviations you may find on the inspection, making recommendation points in the report section where you find code 1's or 2's with a covering letter confirming the seriousness of the remedial work needed to bring the installation to a safe state and to recognised minimal standards.

You can't be held responsible for the condition of any installation you carry out a EICR on. You are there purely to make an inspection and report on your findings. All this talk about you being the last guy on the site, is going to be held responsible is just pure rubbish. Having said that, you will need to be thorough in your inspection and in any documented report that you may furnish...