What do you think

[tonys]

Next week I intend to run ads in all my local papers right across my local area.

Just looking to nick a few a bit and pieces from the domestic sparks, if there's any work in my area (Herts and Essex)

I Need something to do and the odd pennies will come in handy until a longish contract starts in a few weeks.

Don't matter how qualified and how experienced I am, its what money people want to spend.

I'm thinking on the lines of £20 for the initial first hour of turning up, then maybe £15 an hour onwards.

Or should I go £20 then £10 onwards, bear in mind agencies don't want to pay that great money at the moment.

 

[Had8Lives]

A useful company for Periodic Inspection Labels is Electrical Labels and Signs The Label People That way your number is left on the official sticker.

 

[Amp David]

I have a min charge of 40 quid and never puts anyone off.

 

[Amp David]

i did a block ad in my local rag for 14 weeks here in north london, the only calls you get are people trying to sell me stuff.

ive found i get better response from the internet

Totally opposite aroud here. Only had an ad in the local rag for 3 weeks and its generated almost 2 grands worth of work. Internet has got me about 50 quid

 

[tonys]

Right lets get this back in order.

I won't ever work for pennies so don't read to much into the rates being discussed, I'm just trying to get a feel of what happens in the private consumer domestic game.

Ive never worked for pennies because I'm a decent spark, but the days are gone when I could earn £200 a day on day work at £25 hour as a QS and when I was on price work (labour only) I was earning between £250 - £300 and some weeks £1,500. I don't bull**** either.

If people stick together and get the rates up and all good and well, but not at the expense of little companies, or the poorest people.

Also, I stick with what I say about the part p scheme its a rip for qualified Electricians (like me) and does not protect the consumer.

Anyway, going to run the ads, the testing job looks like rip off

 

[rocker]

I don't think you'll find anyone disagreeing with you that it's a rip off, but unfortunately this work must be notified by law. Now, you can notify building control at 150-200 a pop, and after three jobs you've spent more than you would have done for a whole year of part p. I also think you're going to have some problems trying to pass on this cost to the customer, my friend.....

Rip off? Yes. Exempt because you're qualified? Fraid not.

I'm sure you don't mean it like this, but I think the reason you're seeing so much negitivity is that your post reads like 'well I'm going to undercut everyone who pays for Part P registration because as far as I'm concerned I'm qualified enough and I'm not going to bother with it'.

 

[malcolmsanford]

Malcolm

You ask what you like.

Part P schemes, no I'm not paying subs to any of them. Not being funny but being I'm a fully qualified apprenticed served gold card holder of a JIB Approved ticket with the 17th and 2391 and was a QS for an approved contractor for over 6 years and I have 27 years experience I would tell the customer you can inform the LABC if you choose too.

All jokes a side even though the above is all true, its an area I would think about if I were to pick enough work that needs to be notified. If not, I wouldn't carry on advertising.

You do know by law that you can not start any work that is notifiable unless either your a member of a scheme or you inform the LABC so in your case it's not a point of choosing to inform but law that it is informed.

Sorry Rocker that is exactly what he means, he fully intends to break the law, undercut you guys as he now knows what prices legit sparks are charging, and laugh all the way home.

I don't now care if I upset the mods on here as I find this sort of thread disgraceful. We have an alleged fully qualified sparks a gold JIB member no less, advocating that he fully intends to do electrical work against the law, simply becasue he is above it.

I'm sorry for all the genuine hard working guys on here who struggle in these times, but there will always be a Tonys in our industry but I'm amazed that he as been given the credence he as on here.

 

[tonys]

You do know by law that you can not start any work that is notifiable unless either your a member of a scheme or you inform the LABC so in your case it's not a point of choosing to inform but law that it is informed.

Sorry Rocker that is exactly what he means, he fully intends to break the law, undercut you guys as he now knows what prices legit sparks are charging, and laugh all the way home.

I don't now care if I upset the mods on here as I find this sort of thread disgraceful. We have an alleged fully qualified sparks a gold JIB member no less, advocating that he fully intends to do electrical work against the law, simply becasue he is above it.

I'm sorry for all the genuine hard working guys on here who struggle in these times, but there will always be a Tonys in our industry but I'm amazed that he as been given the credence he as on here.

I know a lot about law, because Ive studied with the Open University, and I hope your not trying start a libellous thread on me.

 

[malcolmsanford]

So you will recant the part about informing the LABC if they want to then ..............and before you start work on any notifiable jobs you will as the law say inform the LABC of the intending work, and not start that work until the building control issue you with the building warrent.

If that is the case I will recant my remarks about you intending to break the law as that is not what you intend to do.

 

[nickblake]

I understand what you are saying about not regestering for part , i bet every spark on here would like not to do that , and every one would like to be paid a decent wage , but its the same with every thing .. we have to pay insurance ,tool calibration ,road tax etc at the end of the day it boils down to an over head and just paying £450 a year to regester will soon dissapear and it wont cost the customer a fortune and you will be covered ,and it will make you more competitive

 

[SDELEC]

I know a lot about law, because Ive studied with the Open University, and I hope your not trying start a libellous thread on me.

mods, please!!

 

[rocker]

I know a lot about law, because Ive studied with the Open University, and I hope your not trying start a libellous thread on me.

It's not libellous if it's true. After re-reading this thread it does seem that that is exactly what you are planning to do. Malcolm is spot on with this, you either notify retrospectively through a scheme, or you need to see the letter from the council before you can work. The customer is not allowed to choose whether or not they wat to notify the same as I'm not allowed to drive around without insurance. Sure, I think insurance is a rip off, and I think I'm a pretty good driver. If I never have an accident then there's no victim, but if I do, we have problems.

The main issue I have with this is that from what you've said, you seem to imply you'll tell the customer they can notify but it's a bit pointless (otherwise you'd never get any work, telling them they have to spend £200 extra by law). If you 'know a bit about law' you'll know full well that the customer, unlikely to have trawled their local building control's website, is the one who will get in trouble at the end of the day, and that will be down to your misinformation.

 

[matt456]

Working in part-p defined areas and not notifying? Expect to get reported by honest hard working sparks who are doing work in domestic properties correctly! carry on likeyou say you are going to then we will see you on BBC rogue traders!!

 

[tonys]

Look folks, this thread was dead and and buried a long while a go, it was a debate, nothing more nothing less, please don't take it all to heart.

 

[malcolmsanford]

Look folks, this thread was dead and and buried a long while a go, it was a debate, nothing more nothing less, please don't take it all to heart.

Quite the contary if anything is dead, it is your reputation.

You have come onto an open forum and declared that you were quite willing to work illigally and then accuse someone that they were libelling you for telling you that you could not do that.

I stand by my convictions in that the industry would be a better place without people who openly inform others they intend to work illigally and place the onus of that legality on un suspecting customers.

I see that you have now managed to secure legal employment I wish your future employers the very best of luck in obtaining your services, I'm sure they will need all the luck they can get.

 

[tonys]

My reputation is well regarded and endorsed in this industry by the JIB Approved Gold Card Covers all angles from being competent to working safe

Now draw a line under your issues with me, don't let it get personal.


PS. I knew your question was coming, because people can't help but worry and try to police others, I laid the bait and you took it.