What is a Domestic Installer ?

[Dave Buchan]

Hi guys,

Here's an interesting one for you, if you look at the attachment on this post from the IET they define a domestic installer as " not an electrician "

If you go to the niceic website and click the 'FIND ELECTRICIAN' tab and select 'ALL ELECTRICAL WORK' it will display various domestic installers and approved contractors in your local area.

So is the domestic installer an ELECTRICIAN?

According to the people who write the national safety standards apparently this is not the case.......

Yet the guys who regulate them for crucial safety reasons seem to know otherwise.....

So who is right?

The IET

or

NICEIC

 

[1shortcircuit]

Sometimes I wonder why I am constantly being referered to in threads when I'm not even online...But here is goes.

If you read the original pDF The IET they say domestic installers with a level 2 are not electricians but those with a level 3 qualification are.

I don't know why you have quoted me on this thread. I can only think of it being the reason that I said schemes are allowing domestic installers on there books and calling thyem electricians. Well unfortunately this is true. Whether the IET says different of not the NICEIC are calling their domestic installers 'ELECTRICIANS' you search like the OP did on the 'find an electrician' part of the NICEIC website. Domestic Installers are being called electricians and how can any customer know the difference from a level 2 DI and a Level 3 DI?

Electricalserv, I have not quoted you in order to start a battle with you. I think that should be cleared straight away... It seems you have enough friends to deal with at the moment and I'm sure you don't need one more lol

The reason I posted in here is because your post was much more suited to this thread than the "Tool List" thread that got Hi-Jacked Besides this now gives everyone a chance to discuss a topic that was first raised back in February and went quiet.

Unfortunately I have not been interested in knowing the exact differences between Electrician, Domestic Installer Level Two and Domestic Installer Level Three because it's not relevant to any question I'm likely to be asked that is associated with the work I will be doing.

I'm guessing though that the Level 3 has completed the Domestic Installer and then gone on to do the Test and Inspect course which they would have had to have gained at least 6 months experience and undergo vigorous testing and therefore deserve the Electrician name title?

I'd be interested to know the opinions of more people who are on these courses at the moment. Am I one of the only ones that will be putting Domestic Installer on a business card as opposed to Electrician? Interesting

 

[VoltzElectrical]

Electricalserv, I have not quoted you in order to start a battle with you. I think that should be cleared straight away... It seems you have enough friends to deal with at the moment and I'm sure you don't need one more lol

The reason I posted in here is because your post was much more suited to this thread than the "Tool List" thread that got Hi-Jacked Besides this now gives everyone a chance to discuss a topic that was first raised back in February and went quiet.




Unfortunately I have not been interested in knowing the exact differences between Electrician, Domestic Installer Level Two and Domestic Installer Level Three because it's not relevant to any question I'm likely to be asked that is associated with the work I will be doing.

I'm guessing though that the Level 3 has completed the Domestic Installer and then gone on to do the Test and Inspect course which they would have had to have gained at least 6 months experience and undergo vigorous testing and therefore deserve the Electrician name title?

I'd be interested to know the opinions of more people who are on these courses at the moment. Am I one of the only ones that will be putting Domestic Installer on a business card as opposed to Electrician? Interesting

here we go, here we go, here we go. Here we go, here we go, here we go ​oooo. HERE WE GO! lol.

 

[Guest123]

here we go, here we go, here we go. Here we go, here we go, here we go ​oooo. Here we go! Lol.

No we dont, no we dont, no we dont!!!!!!!!!!

 

[madmac]

LOL! But seriously lads lets bring this argument to some sort of sensible and agreed conclusion for all our sakes and sanity!
WHAT EXACTLY IS A DOMESTIC INSTALLER?
1. AN ELECTRICIAN?
2. NOT AN ELECTRICIAN?
3. ANOTHER PORTION OF THE ELECTRICAL TRADE WATERED DOWN TO MAKE PROFIT FOR SCAM TRAINING PROVIDERS?

 

[Electricalserv]

:29:

The term domestic installer is that used by the NICEIC. Its not to be confused with a qualified electrician who works on domestic premises!

 

[1shortcircuit]

 

[gibo]

that's a government website and as such should never be considered a truthful or reliable source ;-)

 

[gibo]

domestic installer - level 2 qualification.
electrician - level 3 qualification.
I did EAL Level 2 Certificate for Domestic Installers.
2392-10 Fundamental Inspection and Testing - Level 2.
and Level 3 Certificate in the Requirements for Electrical Installations (BS7671 2008).
I assume it means an inspect and test level 3 qual.
however, to join elecsa's part p scheme the only qualification needed is the regs course and to pass assessment. you don't even need to do the part p qual. lights blue touch paper, stands well back

 

[timo1]

Here are my thoughts...I am a Domestic Installer and got my C + G quals through ATL and took me just over a year. I have no illusions about my limitations and I would not describe myself as an electrician, in fact I often correct people if they refer to me as such.

My personal opinion is that an electrician is time served with an apprenticeship and in theory can be placed in front of any electrical installation and have a good understanding of motors etc...

I am fortunate to be able to be doing my NVQ3 with a friend who has his own company and I hope to complete this and get my JIB card, I also have my 2391 later in the year. Usual story too old to get an apprenticeship now and with a family to support not an option.

I am happy with electrics in a domestic setting and I like to think I do a neat job, work to regs and provide a good service but am learning all the time, and you cant put a price on experience, which is why you need to work with someone time served. I feel I am still working towards the accreditation "Electrician" Which I think the JIB are still protecting and fair play for doing so.

I can't blame anyone for feeling peeved that this industry has effectively watered down their profession, but its happening everywhere, transport the Public sector you name it, everywhere now has somebody with a clipboard wanting money off you so you can be qualified to continue the job you were already doing, madness....

 

[gibo]

well said timo1. I am in similar situation to you. i'm running my own business and working with a retired time served electrician so I can learn from him. the nearest thing to an apprenticeship I can get. plus he won't spike me with the test meter, or just use me as a skivvy/gopher/teamaid

 

[Electricalserv]

An electrician

One whose occupation is the installation, maintenance, repair, or operation of electric equipment and circuitry.

 

[RWJ]

An electrician

One whose occupation is the installation, maintenance, repair, or operation of electric equipment and circuitry.

So buy that definition my kids, who love turning lights off and on.... and off.... and back on...
Would be classed as electricians...... Still they're probably better qualified than me!

 

[1shortcircuit]

So buy that definition my kids, who love turning lights off and on.... and off.... and back on...
Would be classed as electricians...... Still they're probably better qualified than me!

You better raise their pocket money lol

 

[RWJ]

You better raise their pocket money lol

Yeah!!

One last night got a £2 pay out from the tooth fairy!........ It was about 20p in my day!!

 

[04gallsopp]

4 week wonder and they are calling them self a spark . It isnt right and the amount of "cock ups" we go to and have to rectify because ... DIY or 4 weeks specials have attempted works . You say has any recent work taken place and they say "no ... nothing for 15 year " their blatently has because new colours are in use. Rant over.