What is a Landlords Safety check?

[alanl]

Some Managing Agents have asked me to do a 'Landlords safety check' on a rented property.
I said I could do a PIR for them no problem, £20 per circuit - £100 for the house.
"It was only £50 last year"
Well, how long was he there?
Around 2 hours was the reply.
There is no way a PIR could be done in that time.
I've turned it down, as they either have the PIR, or I dont do it.

So what were they after?

Ta
Alan.

 

[ezzzekiel]

pretty much a very basic Pir for as cheap as possible

 

[Mark_Burgess]

You are right a PIR, it could be done for £50, visual only!!

And good on you for turning it down, I have done in the past also.

 

[tony mc]

They just want the report but don't want to pay.

Hats off to you I would say it a PIR or nothing and as you know they take alot of time even when faults are not found.

 

[PC Electrics]

Probably a Visual Inspection Report for 50 quid. Believe it or not the NIC actually have a VIR form!

Good on yer, mate. I tell them it's a proper PIR (80+% inspection) or nothing. I'm not putting my name on a worthless VIR/PIR just because they want to be a cheapskate over safety.

 

[tony mc]

I wonder where the VIR form comes from as I hav't seen one in 7671 or is this just another form your purchase from the NIC but are worthless really.

 

[Martin Bradley]

these types of places always get dollars up front, as if it falls bellow standards they dont want to pay. what i mean when you start saying it needs this and that doing.
then they say how much when can it be completed and dont want to pay for pir.

 

[telectrix]

think that's it exactly, more money for nic. i suupose a visual with a couple of random tests is better than nothing, but at the end of the day, it's my signature on the cert. and it's me that woulld stand in front of the fan catching the brown stuff, so (IMO) full PIR or let a cowboy do it.

 

[NMc]

I bet the £50 is for looking at the property and seeing that every thing is present - no missing accessories. A simple visual inspections

Good on you for sticking to your guns PIR take time if done right and if the landlord provides appliances then there is PAT to consider

People need educating into what they need and doing cheap options is waste of time and money. It needs to be understood more that periodics should be done.

 

[tony mc]

Just had a look at the ESC website re VIR and this is what they say about them.

Visual condition reports​

A visual condition report will include the results of the inspection of
the electrical installation.
A visual condition report does not include testing, so the inspection
is not likely to find hidden damage to equipment (for example,
damage to cables and joints).
Usually, a visual inspection report is only suitable if the installation
has been tested in the last couple of years, and the results were
reported (on an electrical installation certificate or a periodic​

inspection report) as being satisfactory (good enough).

 

[NMc]

Basically what I said £50 - a simple visual inspection but do these management companies know the difference

 

[Dayo]

surely it depends on the size of the property, £25 an hour = 2 hours less a bit for travelling. a lot can be checked in 2 hours, if last pir cert is available and furthest readings are simular, bonds are in tact etc. if this company are going to give you lots of work its the spratt to catch the mackeral. if £50 = 25% of accessories tested, so be it, just put it down on your cert.

 

[Geordie Spark]

I don't know how they can get away with just a visual inspection when they will also need a CP 12 for the gas side of things.You can't do a CP 12 just by looking - it has to be a full test for gas tightness, adequate ventilation & a flue inspection as well as ensuring that all the appliances (boiler, fire, cooker etc.) are in safe working order.

Why should it be different for the electrics?

 

[NMc]

More dangerous occurances happen with gas

 

[SPARTYKUS]

Only if they're ignited by a dodgy cable joint thats never been checked for LOL

I know what you Mean, but of all the insurance rewires I have been to, not one was a gas explosion. Many were from a fire. Electrical fire....