what to suggest when no circuits have rcd protection

[westward10]

No, a dangerous condition does not have to be a non-compliance with BS7671.
A prime example being insufficient sockets, resulting in the use of extension leads and plug adaptors.
There was and still is a requirement to consider the effects of fire when choosing a wiring system and method of installation.
This new Regulation provides instructions on how to comply with the existing requirement.
Unfortunately it targets wiring in escape routes, not wiring elsewhere which is just as, if not more likely to present a danger.

Define an escape route.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

An obvious route to exit a building.

 

[westward10]

In a commercial premises or retail premises an escape route may well cover nearly all of the floor place. People can be under the impression it covers corridors and stairwells, this is not correct.

 

[bigspark17]

I would code a 10 yr old domestic property with cables running above a door c3 on a eicr. It wasnt a requirement when installed so cant justify a c2 now some whopper comes up to digg up some work! Shame more experience members arnt forthcoming with their views on this!

 

[Risteard]

A prime example being insufficient sockets, resulting in the use of extension leads and plug adaptors.

Actually there is a Regulation requiring sufficient socket outlets.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

When you find it, post the number.

 

[Risteard]

It wasnt a requirement when installed so cant justify a c2 now some whopper comes up to digg up some work!

You're still missing the point. Whether it was a requirement when installed or not is wholly irrelevant. It certainly is a non-compliance now, and if it has been directly linked to the deaths of several firefighters it is hard to justify a view that it is safe to leave like that.

Nowhere is it stated that if something was permissible when installed it cannot be classified as a C2 observation.

 

[Risteard]

When you find it, post the number.

I don't have my Regs book on me right now, but I know for a fact that it is a Regulation and indeed has been for many years at this stage. Indeed I have made observations based on that Regulation at times when there are extension leads all over the place.

The requirement is that there are a sufficient number of socket outlets rather than any particular number. Needless to say if there are hundreds of extension leads it might be fair to suggest that there are an insufficient number!

 

[Silly Sausage]

Green books!

H7 OSG refers to 553.1.7, which does not specify number of sockets.
Table H7 for number of SOs is 'Guidance' ONLY, with the caveat that appliances are fitted with the 'normal' (whatever that is) length of flex.

 

[The Ghost]

We are doing EICR's on four large buildings with various states of RCD/or no protection. We C1 cables buried in walls in one building. C2 People could access outside with equipment and cleaners sockets. C3 any area that has none of these but are used by non competent office staff. That last sentence came across badlly perhaps. perhaps I should say "are for general use without the supervision of a skilled or instructed person" Leading to unsatisfactory on EICR. Relying on Reg 411.3.3

 

[westward10]

We are doing EICR's on four large buildings with various states of RCD/or no protection. We C1 cables buried in walls in one building. C2 People could access outside with equipment and cleaners sockets. C3 any area that has none of these but are used by non competent office staff. That last sentence came across badlly perhaps. perhaps I should say "are for general use without the supervision of a skilled or instructed person" Leading to unsatisfactory on EICR. Relying on Reg 411.3.3

What led to the Code1 for cables in wall, did you give a reason in writing to the responsible person on the day as to why it was an immediate risk?

 

[bigspark17]

What led to the Code1 for cables in wall, did you give a reason in writing to the responsible person on the day as to why it was an immediate risk?

My thoughts too? Seriously wondering how youve come by a c1?

 

[The Ghost]

Offices are sticking up notice boards and shelves on the wall, then they come down and get changed for more/bigger smaller things most of the walls are covered with stuff. These are cables that are less than 50mm btw. The walls are peppered with screwholes

 

[Leesparkykent]

still would only be a c2 at most if cables tested fine.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Can't see why either the code C1 or C2 would be warranted.
Workplaces are legally required to have skilled or supervised workers, and there is no requirement to provide RCD protection for sockets that might be used for equipment outdoors.