what to suggest when no circuits have rcd protection

[westward10]

I am interested to know what else is wrong or if this is another EICR where it has no content bar the rcd issue.

 

[rwood1981]

I am interested to know what else is wrong or if this is another EICR where it has no content bar the rcd issue.

no earth continuity on 3 ccts
grommets missing from some spurs supplying heaters
some control equiptment not securely fixed
exposed copper in a spur unit
Inner cores of flex showing on entry into spurs
no ring con on neutral of a ring main

To name a few

The only grey area I'm not familiar with hence asking the question, is weather everything should now be covered by rcd as its twin and earth capped in the wall or just the ground floor sockets.

 

[rwood1981]

My point is that whether it was or wasn't required when it was installed has no bearing on how safe it is today. Therefore it isn't actually relevant to the observations you will be making about it.

I have started a conversation with you with a solar issue if you can help

 

[rwood1981]

My point is that whether it was or wasn't required when it was installed has no bearing on how safe it is today. Therefore it isn't actually relevant to the observations you will be making about it.

I have started a conversation with you with a solar issue if you can help

 

[westward10]

no earth continuity on 3 ccts
grommets missing from some spurs supplying heaters
some control equiptment not securely fixed
exposed copper in a spur unit
Inner cores of flex showing on entry into spurs
no ring con on neutral of a ring main

To name a few

The only grey area I'm not familiar with hence asking the question, is weather everything should now be covered by rcd as its twin and earth capped in the wall or just the ground floor sockets.

It states in BS7671 it should be given a minimum Code3 entry. This is minimum and other factors may warrant an alternative Code.

 

[bill01803]

Have you not actually read any of the guidance notes, regs or guide to testing and inspection ?

 

[bigspark17]

My point is that whether it was or wasn't required when it was installed has no bearing on how safe it is today. Therefore it isn't actually relevant to the observations you will be making about it.

Well of course it matters when it was installed, you are there assessing suitability for continued use, if it wasnt req when it was installed and all other test are fine then it should be a c3 which or you giving it a c2 and failing the whole install for ££££!! Your personal predrence shouldnt come into it. Now of course we both know rcd protection would be fantastic and i would also push to install rcd protection but the way your explaining it is poor advice to the op imo! It is an eicr not an new install.

 

[sam400]

Are we inspecting to the regulations that were current at the time of install then?

 

[Risteard]

Well of course it matters when it was installed, you are there assessing suitability for continued use, if it wasnt req when it was installed and all other test are fine then it should be a c3 which or you giving it a c2 and failing the whole install for ££££!!

Can you explain to me how the ommision of something would be more dangerous if installed at a time when it was required than it would be if installed at a time when it wasn't required?

Periodic inspection and testing is not to ascertain whether things were installed in a proper manner at the time they were installed. It is simply about assessing its suitability to remain in service, giving due regard to the Wiring Regulations as they now stand.

 

[westward10]

Are we inspecting to the regulations that were current at the time of install
No unless said installation complied to current regulations.

 

[sam400]

Phew I thought I was going to have to buy regulations 1 - 16 for a minute

 

[Risteard]

Phew I thought I was going to have to buy regulations 1 - 16 for a minute

LOL. Well following the logic of what is being claimed something installed to the 1st Edition should automatically be considered safe!

Of course that is a ridiculous position to hold!

 

[bigspark17]

If that regulation didnt exist when the installation was installed then your suggesting the whole install should fail even though all test show no damage or degrading to the circuit from when it was installed. So @Risteard you do an eicr tomorrow on a 16th edition board and all test results are exact the same to the day of install perfect good system and youll fail it for not having ams3 metal clad board and no 30mA rcd on lighting circuits with cables buried <50mm in plaster.? As an example.

 

[Risteard]

If that regulation didnt exist when the installation was installed then your suggesting the whole install should fail even though all test show no damage or degrading to the circuit from when it was installed.

That would very much depend on the particular non-compliance with BS7671:2008 (2015) and its impact on the safety of the installation. Whether it was or was not required at the time of installation is completely and utterly irrelevant.

So @Risteard you do an eicr tomorrow on a 16th edition board and all test results are exact the same to the day of install perfect good system and youll fail it for not having ams3 metal clad board and no 30mA rcd on lighting circuits with cables buried <50mm in plaster.? As an example.

An EICR does not "pass" or "fail" an installation - it assesses its suitability to remain in service. For example if I found a wiring system in an escape route with no fire resisting supports then I would judge that harshly irregardless of whether it was allowed at the time of installation or not, as it poses a danger to the fire brigade when entering the building.

 

[westward10]

Well of course it matters when it was installed, you are there assessing suitability for continued use, if it wasnt req when it was installed and all other test are fine then it should be a c3 which or you giving it a c2 and failing the whole install for ££££!! Your personal predrence shouldnt come into it. Now of course we both know rcd protection would be fantastic and i would also push to install rcd protection but the way your explaining it is poor advice to the op imo! It is an eicr not an new install.

There are some things which may not have mattered years ago which may well warrant a Code2 now.