When will you start back working following the lockdown

[Vortigern]

I have tried to take a careful look at .gov advice/instructions and it seems it is ok to go to work. Especially regarding construction industries and of course within that electricians. I looked at the attached guidance and advice on .gov web site and I conclude it is ok to go to work what say you all? It refers you to the following doc.

 

[davesparks]

I have tried to take a careful look at .gov advice/instructions and it seems it is ok to go to work. Especially regarding construction industries and of course within that electricians. I looked at the attached guidance and advice on .gov web site and I conclude it is ok to go to work what say you all?

Going to work has always been allowed where it is not possible to do the work from home, as long as you, or anyone you live with, don't have any symptoms of the disease

Working in peoples homes has been a bit of a tricky one, it's technically allowed but nobody really wants to, or wants people to.

 

[Midwest]

Working in peoples homes has been a bit of a tricky one, it's technically allowed but nobody really wants to, or wants people to.

Only for essential maintenance or repairs.

 

[Vortigern]

but .gov advice says it's ok to work on normal things given no one is ill and two metre rule observed with hand washing and bacterial gel etc.

 

[davesparks]

Only for essential maintenance or repairs.

I'm sure that's changed again, it was allowed in previous guidance. I downloaded the guidance a few weeks ago.

It's refusing to let me upload and image but it says that:
Work carried out in people’s homes, for example by tradespeople carrying out repairs and maintenance,
can continue, provided that the tradesperson is well and has no symptoms. Again, it will be important to
ensure that Public Health England guidelines, including maintaining a 2 metre distance from any household
occupants, are followed to ensure everyone’s safety.
No work should be carried out in any household which is isolating or where an individual is being shielded,
unless it is to remedy a direct risk to the safety of the household, such as emergency plumbing or repairs,
and where the tradesperson is willing to do so. In such cases, Public Health England can provide advice to
tradespeople and households.
No work should be carried out by a tradesperson who has coronavirus symptoms, however mild.
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but .gov advice says it's ok to work on normal things given no one is ill and two metre rule observed with hand washing and bacterial gel etc.

That depends on where you look, there is guidance on one part of the site that says work can continue in people's homes, with repairs and maintainence given as an example of work that might be done in people's homes.
On anothe rpart of the site it says that only emergency repairs can be carried out in people's homes.

 

[Andy78]

@davesparks

I've just copied and pasted this. Updates dated 27/04


Tradespeople and working in people’s homes
You are a tradesperson carrying out essential repairs and maintenance in people’s homes. You can continue work, providing that you are well and have no symptoms. You should notify all clients in advance of your arrival.

On entry to the home you should wash your hands using soap and water for 20 seconds. You should wash your hands regularly, particularly after blowing your nose, sneezing or coughing, and when leaving the property. Where facilities to wash hands are not available, hand sanitiser should be used, and you should carry this with you at all times.

You should maintain a safe distance (at least 2 metres) from any household occupants at all times, and ensure good ventilation in the area where you are working, including opening the window.

No work should be carried out in any household which is isolating or where an individual is being shielded, unless your work is to remedy a direct risk to the safety of the household, such as emergency plumbing or repair.

No work should be carried out by a tradesperson who has coronavirus symptoms, however mild.


Source url

Reducing the spread of respiratory infections, including COVID-19, in the workplace

Public health principles for reducing the spread of respiratory infections, including COVID-19, in the workplace.

www.gov.uk

 

[davesparks]

@davesparks

I've just copied and pasted this. Updates dated 27/04


Tradespeople and working in people’s homes
You are a tradesperson carrying out essential repairs and maintenance in people’s homes. You can continue work, providing that you are well and have no symptoms. You should notify all clients in advance of your arrival.

On entry to the home you should wash your hands using soap and water for 20 seconds. You should wash your hands regularly, particularly after blowing your nose, sneezing or coughing, and when leaving the property. Where facilities to wash hands are not available, hand sanitiser should be used, and you should carry this with you at all times.

You should maintain a safe distance (at least 2 metres) from any household occupants at all times, and ensure good ventilation in the area where you are working, including opening the window.

No work should be carried out in any household which is isolating or where an individual is being shielded, unless your work is to remedy a direct risk to the safety of the household, such as emergency plumbing or repair.

No work should be carried out by a tradesperson who has coronavirus symptoms, however mild.


Source url

Reducing the spread of respiratory infections, including COVID-19, in the workplace

Public health principles for reducing the spread of respiratory infections, including COVID-19, in the workplace.

www.gov.uk

Yes, I've seen that now, but if you look here Staying at home and away from others (social distancing) - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/full-guidance-on-staying-at-home-and-away-from-others/full-guidance-on-staying-at-home-and-away-from-others
In paragraph 7 it has very different advice.

We know that your quote is the more recent advice, and the most sensible to follow, but they really should be keeping the advice the same across the whole gov.uk site

 

[Risteard]

Yes, I've seen that now, but if you look here Staying at home and away from others (social distancing) - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/full-guidance-on-staying-at-home-and-away-from-others/full-guidance-on-staying-at-home-and-away-from-others
In paragraph 7 it has very different advice.

We know that your quote is the more recent advice, and the most sensible to follow, but they really should be keeping the advice the same across the whole gov.uk site

Essential repairs are essentially given as an example of works carried out in people's homes.

However there is absolutely no prohibition in law in carrying out any types of works in someone's home - regardless of whether these are essential repairs or not. So you are correct in this.

It's deeply unfortunate that they have decided to issue guidance which contradicts the law - I believe that is wholly wrong of them. But I would imagine that very few would wish to carry out non-essential works in someone's home at this time - in spite of it being completely legal to do so.

 

[davesparks]

Essential repairs are essentially given as an example of works carried out in people's homes.

However there is absolutely no prohibition in law in carrying out any types of works in someone's home - regardless of whether these are essential repairs or not. So you are correct in this.

It's deeply unfortunate that they have decided to issue guidance which contradicts the law - I believe that is wholly wrong of them. But I would imagine that very few would wish to carry out non-essential works in someone's home at this time - in spite of it being completely legal to do so.

I'm not talking about the legalities of any of this, just the guidance published on gov.uk

The guidance I linked to states, as you say, that any work can be carried out in a person's home.
The guidance Andy quoted, also from gov.uk, states that only essential repairs and maintainence should be carried out.

As for the law, yes there is no law relating to covid 19 which prevents you working in people's homes, the guidance would say 'must' where it says 'should' etc if there were.

 

[pirate]

It's all -------s!
i did 2 "essential" repairs last week. all the "criteria" were met...except...how do I know if I have the virus, if i am showing/feeling no signs/symptoms? Maybe i inadvertently carried covid into those homes?
Plus, what do the police know about what is "essential" and what is not? That's not their job. Clearly, taking a cake to someone is hardly essential, but if you have a van load of test gear and tools, they can hardly charge you with non-essential travel, unless they follow you to the job and watch what you do.
It's largely common sense, and adherence to the proper spirit of the rules...I expect most on here know what that means.
It's equally clear that NOBODY knows where this is going yet...any relaxation will have to be decided by best judgement on available evidence...
Incidentally, when a local Costa coffee opened it's doors yesterday the queue of cars was unbelievable...you may have seen it on TV? How can driving out to a coffee shop be considered essential?
Wine bar maybe...

 

[Midwest]

Essential repairs are essentially given as an example of works carried out in people's homes.

However there is absolutely no prohibition in law in carrying out any types of works in someone's home - regardless of whether these are essential repairs or not. So you are correct in this.

It's deeply unfortunate that they have decided to issue guidance which contradicts the law - I believe that is wholly wrong of them. But I would imagine that very few would wish to carry out non-essential works in someone's home at this time - in spite of it being completely legal to do so.

What ‘prohibition in law’ are you referring to?

Ive read some of the Act, its quite long and deals with many things, but I don’t think, I might be wrong, that deals with, in detail in working in people’s homes. Each country in the UK it’s broadly the same, but each has its own regulations (things might be different in Ireland). But there is the guidance on working in people’s homes. If tradespersons and clients choose to ignore, then they may suffer the consequences, whatever that might be.

The police have certain powers, one of which is leaving the place where you live without reasonable excuse. Installing a new circuit, for an indoor sauna, for a domestic client would not be essential IMO, and therefore the travel to & from there, also not essential.

Currently the guidance is only to work in people’s homes, for essential repairs & maintenance. Working in an empty premise, such as a warehouse, would not fall foul of this guidance IMO.

The premise where I work, has stopped all contractors entering, save for emergency repairs. I’ve have been given a letter by my employer, stating my presence in their work place as essential. Some have already had to show their letter to police to prove their travel (to & from work) is essential.

I understand how difficult it is financially, because of the lockdown, where their ones work is dedicated to the domestic area. But the guidance is there for a reason.

Of course this might change soon, because the majority of the population have been adhering to the guidance, and the virus is being beaten.

 

[Pretty Mouth]

The guidance Andy quoted, also from gov.uk, states that only essential repairs and maintainence should be carried out.

It appears the guidance Andy quoted is only guidance for an example scenario:

Overview

This is a list of tailored advice for different scenarios as an example of how social distancing and other measures might be implemented by employers in England to help protect their workforce and customers from coronavirus while still continuing to trade.
...
These are not intended to be comprehensive or to represent every business’s situation, but are illustrative examples.

 

[littlespark]

They all use the words “essential maintenance and repair” suggesting that the electrical installation is existing and workers have to attend to either fix it, test it or otherwise make sure it’s still working as it should.
Doesn’t say anything about new installations
However. Empty premises, no face to face contact... must be safer than standing in queue for Tesco’s.
We are all bending the rules a little here and there.... I go out at least 3 times a day to exercise instead of just once. Walking the dog.... is that against the rules?....

They are talking now of lifting some of the restrictions, which will just cause confusion IMO now that we are used to this.

 

[Risteard]

What ‘prohibition in law’ are you referring to?

Ive read some of the Act, its quite long and deals with many things, but I don’t think, I might be wrong, that deals with, in detail in working in people’s homes. Each country in the UK it’s broadly the same, but each has its own regulations (things might be different in Ireland). But there is the guidance on working in people’s homes. If tradespersons and clients choose to ignore, then they may suffer the consequences, whatever that might be.

The police have certain powers, one of which is leaving the place where you live without reasonable excuse. Installing a new circuit, for an indoor sauna, for a domestic client would not be essential IMO, and therefore the travel to & from there, also not essential.

Currently the guidance is only to work in people’s homes, for essential repairs & maintenance. Working in an empty premise, such as a warehouse, would not fall foul of this guidance IMO.

The premise where I work, has stopped all contractors entering, save for emergency repairs. I’ve have been given a letter by my employer, stating my presence in their work place as essential. Some have already had to show their letter to police to prove their travel (to & from work) is essential.

I understand how difficult it is financially, because of the lockdown, where their ones work is dedicated to the domestic area. But the guidance is there for a reason.

Of course this might change soon, because the majority of the population have been adhering to the guidance, and the virus is being beaten.

I stated NO position in law. So I wasn't claiming that there was one.

In the south of Ireland there is a stipulation in regulations about emergency call-out only for electrical to homes and businesses but that only applies there. That was until the 12th April but currently is in place now until the 18th May as far as I can tell.

The economic carnage will be severe.

 

[Midwest]

I stated NO position in law. So I wasn't claiming that there was one.

I was just replying to what you posted;

’However there is absolutely no prohibition in law in carrying out any types of works in someone's home - regardless of whether these are essential repairs or not. So you are correct in this’.

’It's deeply unfortunate that they have decided to issue guidance which contradicts the law - I believe that is wholly wrong of them’.

Perhaps you were referring to Ireland.