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I was just replying to what you posted;

’However there is absolutely no prohibition in law in carrying out any types of works in someone's home - regardless of whether these are essential repairs or not. So you are correct in this’.

’It's deeply unfortunate that they have decided to issue guidance which contradicts the law - I believe that is wholly wrong of them’.

Perhaps you were referring to Ireland.
I think it's very clear what I stated. There isn't a prohibition in law (which you accept is the case). However my point was they shouldn't issue guidance which confuses this.

An example is Boris claiming that it was a "rule" (his words) that you could only go out for one form of exercise per day.

In law I can exercise as many times per day as I wish. (Wales I believe have since legislated for only exercising once per day, but everywhere else his statement is wholly false.)

Jonathan Sumption alluded to all this in his remarks about Derbyshire Police a number of weeks ago.
 
Although this is a sidestep, we must not lose sight of the powers granted by parliament to police and others. There are some very questionable powers granted which may infringe on our sovereign rights. Just a slight note of caution, it is not within the British peoples habit to blindly agree/bow to the PTB on any matter. Where it makes sense, fine. But look at social distancing and packed tube trains or certain religious bodies free to congregate while other (esp. Christian) are not allowed and are prosecuted for doing so. These matters need careful scrutiny and monitoring. The rule of law must prevail exercised without fear or favour and it is not seen to be doing so. I refer to a more international scale of this than particularly Britain alone.
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Although this is a sidestep, we must not lose sight of the powers granted by parliament to police and others. There are some very questionable powers granted which may infringe on our sovereign rights. Just a slight note of caution, it is not within the British peoples habit to blindly agree/bow to the PTB on any matter. Where it makes sense, fine. But look at social distancing and packed tube trains or certain religious bodies free to congregate while other (esp. Christian) are not allowed and are prosecuted for doing so. These matters need careful scrutiny and monitoring. The rule of law must prevail exercised without fear or favour and it is not seen to be doing so. I refer to a more international scale of this than particularly Britain alone.
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I firmly believe that most of these laws enacted throughout most of the world are unconstitutional, illegal, null and void. It is extremely difficult to see how they can possibly be lawful in many of the countries where they have been enacted. Heads will roll for this when their reckoning comes. Of this I have no doubt.
 
Currently the guidance is only to work in people’s homes, for essential repairs & maintenance. Working in an empty premise, such as a warehouse, would not fall foul of this guidance IMO.

. Some have already had to show their letter to police to prove their travel (to & from work) is essential.

As I mentioned earlier, there are two guidance documents on gov.uk currently, one says essential repairs and maintainenece only in people's homes, the other clearly allows all work in people's homes.

There are two guidance documents currently published on the gov.uk website which contradict each other.

I doubt the police could actually do anything at all if they didn't have a letter with them, apart from maybe a condescending talk.
 
I think it's very clear what I stated. There isn't a prohibition in law (which you accept is the case). However my point was they shouldn't issue guidance which confuses this.

An example is Boris claiming that it was a "rule" (his words) that you could only go out for one form of exercise per day.

In law I can exercise as many times per day as I wish. (Wales I believe have since legislated for only exercising once per day, but everywhere else his statement is wholly false.)

Jonathan Sumption alluded to all this in his remarks about Derbyshire Police a number of weeks ago.

It relies on the common sense of most people. It may not be a legal law, but it is a guidance 'rule' to only go out once a day for exercise. There is no doubt in the intention of it as far as I'm concerned, and I'm certainly not going to try and pick faults with the wording of things like this, despite me being known for being a bit pedantic on some things!
 
I think it's very clear what I stated. There isn't a prohibition in law (which you accept is the case). However my point was they shouldn't issue guidance which confuses this.

An example is Boris claiming that it was a "rule" (his words) that you could only go out for one form of exercise per day.

In law I can exercise as many times per day as I wish. (Wales I believe have since legislated for only exercising once per day, but everywhere else his statement is wholly false.)

Jonathan Sumption alluded to all this in his remarks about Derbyshire Police a number of weeks ago.
The Coronavirus Act 2020, I suspect has been sat on a shelf somewhere as a contingency for things like this. Not ever aspect will be written into such an emergency Act. Things like the Theft Act have evolved, changed and alter over the years. Hopefully the CA will be short lived, before its removed.

As its a newly convened one, it will not cover every single circumstance, that the great British public feel to challenge it with. Thats why there has been guidance for the police on how to use it, and similarly how the public should follow it. If this thing continues for sometime, then eventually someone will end up in court, for perhaps exercising as many times as they see fit in a day, as an example. It will then be for the Court to decide whether the Act specifies exercise should be restricted to once a day or not, and then set a precedent, to which either side might appeal. After which the final decision might be amended into that Act. Lets hope this doesn't last that long for that to happen.

What I don't understand, is peoples thought processes, where they think its important to isolate themselves in their homes, not having friends or family to visit or visit them, following the Government guidance. But then see it quite reasonable to have a bunch of tradespersons in their homes, to carry out work that is not essential. I really think those people should have a rethink of what they are doing.

Lets remember people are dying of this virus, and a lot more would of died if the guidance had not been followed by the majority.
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As I mentioned earlier, there are two guidance documents on gov.uk currently, one says essential repairs and maintainenece only in people's homes, the other clearly allows all work in people's homes.

There are two guidance documents currently published on the gov.uk website which contradict each other.

I doubt the police could actually do anything at all if they didn't have a letter with them, apart from maybe a condescending talk.

The one you refer to (para 7 is deleted now) mentions repairs and maintenance only. Do people really need that defined further? It also provides links within that document, to the final guidance on 'Trades persons working in peoples home' similar to the ducument linked by Andy.

Again, do people really need to be told whether Tradespersons should allowed or not in their homes to install a new kitchen (for example), when they've spent the best part of 6 weeks, isolating themselves from friends and family. I could say they can't be that dense, but then nothing surprises me about the great British public.

There's been a few FPN handed out already, and I suspect some being questioned about their reason for travel. I've a letter, which I keep with me.
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Although this is a sidestep, we must not lose sight of the powers granted by parliament to police and others. There are some very questionable powers granted which may infringe on our sovereign rights. Just a slight note of caution, it is not within the British peoples habit to blindly agree/bow to the PTB on any matter. Where it makes sense, fine. But look at social distancing and packed tube trains or certain religious bodies free to congregate while other (esp. Christian) are not allowed and are prosecuted for doing so. These matters need careful scrutiny and monitoring. The rule of law must prevail exercised without fear or favour and it is not seen to be doing so. I refer to a more international scale of this than particularly Britain alone.
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Can't comment on the irregularity religious bodies etc, but these powers (temporally I hope) have been granted to help stop the spread of the virus (measures advised by medical practitioners). There have been the odd over zealous instances, but in general its the odd few idiots who just aren't getting the seriousness of this matter, who are getting the enforcement.




Lastly, I'm sorry if I'm getting boring now, but people are dying of this virus, not necessarily the old or the vulnerable. It kills more than the flu, and is preventable if the guidance, at the moment is followed. Don't take it into your own hands, or you might unnecessarily infect someone or your own loved ones.
 
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I do not think there is any clear and unambiguous analysis of the 30k deaths. To say all deaths are due to coronovirus as if all other diseases have stopped is preposterous. There are as many versions of the "true" death toll as deaths out there. Don't misunderstand me I am not one for taking risks but I am one for analysing information and statistics and judging the voracity of them. I cannot find any certain picture of the matter re coronavirus deaths. We hear such as 86% of deaths are associated with pre-existing conditions and death certificates are showing they all died of coronavirus whereas this is simply not true they died with coronavirus maybe more like the truth. There is not even any clear non contradictory guidance for crying out loud! As stated the powers granted to the state are draconian to say the least of it. I am as much concerned with this as Covid19. Don't let the "watch this hand, watch this hand" technique blind you to what else is happening.
 
We have hit nearly 30K deaths, its serious.
I'd take the deaths count with a massive pinch of salt... I read that it's based on the death certificate merely mentioning Coronavirus, not that they died because of it. Also, what about the ones that die because of it, but they don't know they had it ?
 
As I mentioned earlier, there are two guidance documents on gov.uk currently, one says essential repairs and maintainenece only in people's homes, the other clearly allows all work in people's homes.

There are two guidance documents currently published on the gov.uk website which contradict each other.

I doubt the police could actually do anything at all if they didn't have a letter with them, apart from maybe a condescending talk.
The cry of emergency is an intoxicating one, producing an exhilarating freedom from the need to consider the rights of others and productive of the desire to repeat it again and again (Dellway Investments and Others v. NAMA and Others [2011] 4 I.R. 1 at 289).
In actual fact there is a case ongoing in Dublin at present about this. The Constitution very clearly defines an "emergency" as war or armed rebellion, and therefore the description of the COVID-19 situation as an emergency to justify emergency powers is - it is contested - unconstitutional.
 
In actual fact there is a case ongoing in Dublin at present about this. The Constitution very clearly defines an "emergency" as war or armed rebellion, and therefore the description of the COVID-19 situation as an emergency to justify emergency powers is - it is contested - unconstitutional.

That's a great use of time and money during an international pandemic!
 

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