When will you start back working following the lockdown

[7029 dave]

All I keep hearing on the government adverts, tv/radio is traveling to and from work if you absolutely cannot work from home....I definitely cannot change that consumer unit from home amd would happily argue that with a judge, that’s the government advise.....

The guide lines are somewhat wishy washy.

 

[Baddegg]

The guide lines are somewhat wishy washy.

I believe they are deliberately so, the government knows they can’t promise money in June and then make the self employed stay at home, not blaming the government as this is new territory for all but they have to be seen doing the best for all.....

 

[Midwest]

For tradespersons working in people’s homes, I think it’s pretty clear.

Reducing the spread of respiratory infections, including COVID-19, in the workplace

Public health principles for reducing the spread of respiratory infections, including COVID-19, in the workplace.

www.gov.uk

 

[Gavin John Hyde]

I believe they are deliberately so, the government knows they can’t promise money in June and then make the self employed stay at home, not blaming the government as this is new territory for all but they have to be seen doing the best for all.....

The government are constantly behind the curve, I know a plumber who is applying for the money from government self employed scheme based on last year's self assessment. At same time he's out working everyday and according to my cousin is doing it all cash in hand and not declaring it. Suspect he is not alone in that regard.
All this money will be paid back it ain't free. People are happy being furloughed but I expect National Insurance to go up afterwards maybe even Income Tax, it will, be dressed up as to help NHS etc and pay the debts incurred from this. But it wil stay at those rates.
I also think you will see the 40% tax bracket payers loose a lot of pension perks.
If fuel stays low expect taxes to go up disguised as green taxes... As if yo u could pay 1.30 a litre before why not now?
There is no such thing as free money from the tax man! That is a certainty

 

[Baddegg]

For tradespersons working in people’s homes, I think it’s pretty clear.

Reducing the spread of respiratory infections, including COVID-19, in the workplace

Public health principles for reducing the spread of respiratory infections, including COVID-19, in the workplace.

www.gov.uk

Thats guidance for working in people’s homes and I agree it is clear, it still doesn’t address the 3-4 million self employed who have no choice, some will have savings some will not and when the government says June for some money that will be July...the whole universal credit thing is a farce with all the will in the world of the person on the phone interprets your entitlement wrong you are then on the merry go round with no money, I’m fortunate enough to not need it but I hear stories every day from self employed mates who are now really struggling and have no choice but to go out and scratch a living, 2-3 is a holiday and you’d not be earning anyway as normal but 2-3 is not realistic.....the real irony here is all the people at home on 80% have money to burn at the moment as they can’t spend as they used to so are getting all the jobs done around they house...and as gavin mentioned a lot are paying cash ?

 

[Midwest]

Thats guidance for working in people’s homes and I agree it is clear, it still doesn’t address the 3-4 million self employed who have no choice, some will have savings some will not and when the government says June for some money that will be July...the whole universal credit thing is a farce with all the will in the world of the person on the phone interprets your entitlement wrong you are then on the merry go round with no money, I’m fortunate enough to not need it but I hear stories every day from self employed mates who are now really struggling and have no choice but to go out and scratch a living, 2-3 is a holiday and you’d not be earning anyway as normal but 2-3 is not realistic.....the real irony here is all the people at home on 80% have money to burn at the moment as they can’t spend as they used to so are getting all the jobs done around they house...and as gavin mentioned a lot are paying cash ?

I can’t comment on the issue of no work and more importantly no money coming in for the self employed

But the guidance is there clear to read. If someone chooses to disregard that, and that includes the home owner, that’s their decision, and will have to face the consequences, whatever that might be.

 

[Baddegg]

That’s my point @Midwest, it’s all a bit monty python.....here’s the rules that most people can’t follow ?

 

[Gavin John Hyde]

The real irony here is all the people at home on 80% have money to burn at the moment as they can’t spend as they used to so are getting all the jobs done around they house...and as gavin mentioned a lot are paying cash ?

One of my cousins bought a hot tub lazy spa thing for a couple hundred quid.. Before you knew it half the street has them. Reason being paid to stay at home and can't go on holiday now. So they have money to spend and are indeed spending.
Apparently lazy spas/ pools, bbqs and outdoor furniture sales have skyrocketed...
I have had enquiries for running supplies for hot tubs... You'd think people would save the pennies for a rainy day but doesn't look likely

 

[Midwest]

That’s my point @Midwest, it’s all a bit monty python.....here’s the rules that most people can’t follow ?

There’s loads of people who break the laws. That’s we have cops.
Most people are law abiding. Just the minority who aren’t.

Perhaps we should follow the Romania lead;

Coronavirus: Romania hands out steep lockdown fines

Romania issues 200,000 fines which are said to equal the country's corporate tax take for February.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Zerax]

There’s loads of people who break the laws. That’s why we have cops...

Yeah... but modern day policing is all about the safety of the general public, upholding the law is secondary if they have time.

Perhaps we should follow the Romania lead...

It's easier for countries that used to be communist... as the general public are willing to accept more state control. Not sure our police would be allowed to do that here !

 

[Baddegg]

There’s loads of people who break the laws. That’s we have cops.
Most people are law abiding. Just the minority who aren’t.

Perhaps we should follow the Romania lead;

Coronavirus: Romania hands out steep lockdown fines

Romania issues 200,000 fines which are said to equal the country's corporate tax take for February.

www.bbc.co.uk

Are they breaking a law though?
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One of my cousins bought a hot tub lazy spa thing for a couple hundred quid.. Before you knew it half the street has them. Reason being paid to stay at home and can't go on holiday now. So they have money to spend and are indeed spending.
Apparently lazy spas/ pools, bbqs and outdoor furniture sales have skyrocketed...
I have had enquiries for running supplies for hot tubs... You'd think people would save the pennies for a rainy day but doesn't look likely

I had 978 views on my Checkatradre in the last 4 weeks and on affiliate membership at the moment as I don’t want much work....people are spending

 

[Midwest]

Yeah... but modern day policing is all about the safety of the general public, upholding the law is secondary if they have time.

It's easier for countries that used to be communist... as the general public are willing to accept more state control. Not sure our police would be allowed to do that here !

The police attestation, requires them to do that and a bit more.

My other sentence was tongue in cheek. But it might stop some farting in church.
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Are they breaking a law though?

Who us or the Romanian‘s.

 

[Baddegg]

The police attestation, requires them to do that and a bit more.

My other sentence was tongue in cheek. But it might stop some farting in church.
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Who us or the Romanian‘s.

Us and the laws

 

[Simon47]

The general public will of course need to accept that there will be some deaths... and the media are making sure that's not going to happen anytime soon.

One thing I've not really seen discussed when they are showing the graphs on telly is "how many would normally be dying anyway" and "how many who are dying would be expected to have died in the next few months anyway". A LOT of people die every day normally, more so during the annual flu season. While it's clear that more are dying now, by no means all of them are "because coronavirus".
I realise it can be seen as a bit tasteless or macabre talking about people's lives like this, but it's reality and any rational discussion needs to consider it - and especially discussion of when/how restrictions are lifted need to consider it.
And, when I asked a well known search engine how many normally die, the second result was this well laid out article from the BBC. The normal figure for this time of year is around 10,000 deaths/week - but total deaths according to the article, in the week to 3rd April, the figure went up to 16,000, so 6,000 above the norm. I expect it's gone higher by now.
Hindsight will fill in the blanks. If there is a lull and weekly deaths drop below normal later in the year, then that could signal that possibly all that's happened is that people who would have died soon anyway have died a little earlier.

And of course there is one thing many people have failed to notice. The current guidance is not intended to stop the virus altogether - it's intended to keep the illness rate below the capacity of the NHS (and other care sectors) to deal with it. It's to a certain extent essential that people mingle and share it around - so that people can get it, recover, and then have at least temporary immunity. When enough people have immunity, the epidemic will fizzle out and become a background illness like so many others are - with the care sectors able to cope with the volumes.

BTW, here's a little puzzle for you - I claim no originality for it.
You have a large pond, and notice an invasive weed has arrived in it. The weed doubles in area every day, and in 30 days will completely cover the pond. After how many days will the pond be half covered ?
As it happens, there is a remedy that will kill the weed without destroying the environment, but there's a 10 day lead time before it takes effect. When is the last time you can apply it to prevent the pond being completely choked ?
And lastly, assuming you get that timing right, how much of the pond is covered by the weed when you apply the treatment ?

 

[rapparee]

I went back to work yesterday after a month in lockdown.

After two days work I'm knackered

I've gotten soft this past month
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One thing I've not really seen discussed when they are showing the graphs on telly is "how many would normally be dying anyway" and "how many who are dying would be expected to have died in the next few months anyway". A LOT of people die every day normally, more so during the annual flu season. While it's clear that more are dying now, by no means all of them are "because coronavirus".
I realise it can be seen as a bit tasteless or macabre talking about people's lives like this, but it's reality and any rational discussion needs to consider it - and especially discussion of when/how restrictions are lifted need to consider it.
And, when I asked a well known search engine how many normally die, the second result was this well laid out article from the BBC. The normal figure for this time of year is around 10,000 deaths/week - but total deaths according to the article, in the week to 3rd April, the figure went up to 16,000, so 6,000 above the norm. I expect it's gone higher by now.
Hindsight will fill in the blanks. If there is a lull and weekly deaths drop below normal later in the year, then that could signal that possibly all that's happened is that people who would have died soon anyway have died a little earlier.

And of course there is one thing many people have failed to notice. The current guidance is not intended to stop the virus altogether - it's intended to keep the illness rate below the capacity of the NHS (and other care sectors) to deal with it. It's to a certain extent essential that people mingle and share it around - so that people can get it, recover, and then have at least temporary immunity. When enough people have immunity, the epidemic will fizzle out and become a background illness like so many others are - with the care sectors able to cope with the volumes.

BTW, here's a little puzzle for you - I claim no originality for it.
You have a large pond, and notice an invasive weed has arrived in it. The weed doubles in area every day, and in 30 days will completely cover the pond. After how many days will the pond be half covered ?
As it happens, there is a remedy that will kill the weed without destroying the environment, but there's a 10 day lead time before it takes effect. When is the last time you can apply it to prevent the pond being completely choked ?
And lastly, assuming you get that timing right, how much of the pond is covered by the weed when you apply the treatment ?

29 days

And I'd apply it on day 18.