Who Are You?

[HandySparks]

This poll is for all Forum members. Please read the poll carefully and then choose the best description in the context of your membership of the forum. I can't include all options, so you might like to go into more detail by posting in the thread.

The poll is confidential (forum names are not visible).

For the purposes of the poll:
'Apprenticeship' means a pre-planned formal arrangement for multiple years of structured classroom and on-the-job training.
'Short Course' means a concentrated course of less than 6 weeks of mostly classroom based learning. (Just a C&G 2381 / 2382 'regs' course doesn't count.)
'Electrician' means anyone doing hands-on installation, maintenance, repair or testing of electrical systems (normally for payment) and includes 'domestic installer'.

 

[andyelectric]

You'd still need suitable electrical/electronic qualifications gained during your time in the Armed Forces. You wouldn't get in without any qualifications, and certainly not as a Registered CEng/IEng....

We did obtain qualifications. I think my post referenced quals.

Edit.. My post, although relying on memory is correct as far as I remember. I'm only talking a couple of years ago when I was in the process of leaving so I think its reasonably correct. I decided not to register as IEng as I had no intention of ever using the registration and therefore didn't see the point of a yearly fee merely for letters after my name.

I Still don't think I'm any less of an engineer for not registering.

Mind you if I'd completed an NVQ3 in electrical installation, there are some on here who see it as the equivalent of a medical degree.

 

[Engineer54]

We did obtain qualifications.

Exactly!! My point being that entry into any Chartered Institute is by means of Recognised professional qualifications not just on the Rank attained in the armed forces...

 

[andyelectric]

Exactly!! My point being that entry into any Chartered Institute is by means of Recognised professional qualifications not just on the Rank attained in the armed forces...

Ok. Fair enough.

 

[mpb]

I went for Electrician Other,

4 Year Electrical Mechanical Apprenticeship
ONC Electrical Electronic Engineering
HNC Electrical Engineering
C&G 2382
C&G 2395

Martin

 

[ImpededLoop]

From experience of some of the consultants I have worked with, the letters after the name are meaningless (CIBSE members in my experience). So long as you have a degree and turn up to the regional meetings and buy the right people a drink then you're in and graded. It's still very much an old boys club from my experience. I can't say what the IET are like, maybe they are better?

It's odd that you have to be a member of a professional organisation to call yourself an engineer on here, yet the opposite is said of electricians who join a competent persons scheme.

 

[Engineer54]

I Still don't think I'm any less of an engineer for not registering.

I'm not trying to be flipant or clever, but what makes you think you're entitled to call yourself an Engineer??

 

[andyelectric]

I'm not trying to be flipant or clever, but what makes you think you're entitled to call yourself an Engineer??

I don't get you. I could have registered as IEng, but whilst in service it would have been a pointless waste of money to join a civilian organisation.

Are you trying to say there are no Engineers in the armed forces as they don't register civvyside? Once again I don't get your point? Is this a personal attack on me, or on the whole of the armed forces?

Would 'Former Engineer' satisfy your ego.

 

[Harni]

I think he's trying to say that because youre not officially registered as an engineer, you can't possibly be one which personally I don't agree with.

If you look up the definition of an engineer, the general definition is something along the lines of someone who designs, builds and maintains. No where does it say that an engineer can only be an engineer by being registered to some sort of trade body.

 

[andyelectric]

I think he's trying to say that because youre not officially registered as an engineer, you can't possibly be one which personally I don't agree with.

If you look up the definition of an engineer, the general definition is something along the lines of someone who designs, builds and maintains. No where does it say that an engineer can only be an engineer by being registered to some sort of trade body.

Mmm, £140 a year times 22 years for something of absolutely no use to me. I'm glad I gave it a miss. Methinks E54 is trying to willy wang.

 

[Engineer54]

I don't get you. I could have registered as IEng, but whilst in service it would have been a pointless waste of money to join a civilian organisation.

Are you trying to say there are no Engineers in the armed forces as they don't register civvyside? Once again I don't get your point? Is this a personal attack on me, or on the whole of the armed forces?

Would 'Former Engineer' satisfy your ego.

I'm not saying that at all, i asked you a perfectly reasonable question if you don't want to answer , fair enough. If i wanted to aim a personal attack on you, you would know all about it....

Oh, and i don't do ''willy wanging'' i leave that to others.

 

[andyelectric]

I'm not saying that at all, i asked you a perfectly reasonable question if you don't want to answer , fair enough. If i wanted to aim a personal attack on you, you would no all about it....

Oh, and i don't do ''willy wanging'' i leave that to others.

Okay then. Why would you consider me not to be an engineer. If it is lack of registration, do you seriously expect me to have registered with a body holding no relevance to my armed forces career?

 

[Engineer54]

I think he's trying to say that because youre not officially registered as an engineer, you can't possibly be one which personally I don't agree with.

If you look up the definition of an engineer, the general definition is something along the lines of someone who designs, builds and maintains. No where does it say that an engineer can only be an engineer by being registered to some sort of trade body.

I'm saying, you need the qualifications to back up self imposed titles of Engineer. Recognised Institutes such as ITE and CIBSE would be the general official route to take in this instance...

As i stated previously just about anyone can call themselves an engineer in the UK even on business advertising material. Try doing that in most westernised countries and you'll quickly find yourself in hot water...

 

[shanky887614]

I'm saying, you need the qualifications to back up self imposed titles of Engineer. Recognised Institutes such as ITE and CIBSE would be the general official route to take in this instance...

As i stated previously just about anyone can call themselves an engineer in the UK even on business advertising material. Try doing that in most westernised countries and you'll quickly find yourself in hot water...

charted enginer is a protected title but normal enginer isnt


the professional titles of Engineering Technician (EngTech), Incorporated Engineer IEng), Chartered Engineer (CEng) and ICT Technician (ICTTech) may only be used by those who have been granted these titles through registration with the Engineering Council.

www.engc.org.uk/statusofengineers.aspx

 

[Engineer54]

Okay then. Why would you consider me not to be an engineer. If it is lack of registration, do you seriously expect me to have registered with a body holding no relevance to my armed forces career?

How can i answer that, if you won't answer the question i asked above??

 

[Engineer54]

charted enginer is a protected title but normal enginer isnt

So is Incorporated Engineer (IEng)...