Who Are You?

[HandySparks]

This poll is for all Forum members. Please read the poll carefully and then choose the best description in the context of your membership of the forum. I can't include all options, so you might like to go into more detail by posting in the thread.

The poll is confidential (forum names are not visible).

For the purposes of the poll:
'Apprenticeship' means a pre-planned formal arrangement for multiple years of structured classroom and on-the-job training.
'Short Course' means a concentrated course of less than 6 weeks of mostly classroom based learning. (Just a C&G 2381 / 2382 'regs' course doesn't count.)
'Electrician' means anyone doing hands-on installation, maintenance, repair or testing of electrical systems (normally for payment) and includes 'domestic installer'.

 

[Guest77]

I think he's trying to say that because youre not officially registered as an engineer, you can't possibly be one which personally I don't agree with.

If you look up the definition of an engineer, the general definition is something along the lines of someone who designs, builds and maintains. No where does it say that an engineer can only be an engineer by being registered to some sort of trade body.

You can dress it up as you like, in the trade people who matter know what the definition of an engineer is, and it is certainely a merited position most of us will not achieve.

 

[shanky887614]

So is Incorporated Engineer (IEng)...

i know because my stepdad is a charted engineer, he got sponserd by company to get his

 

[Guest77]

I worked for a company around 20 years ago I suppose now who had a maintenance contract with a large shopping centre, one day I was in the office awaiting new instructions when the phone went and I heard the boss say "I will send an Engineer around now to sort it out" He asked me who is only a site technician to go there and wait for it= replace a lamp over a stair case lol. The word engineer is used to often for my liking and is an insult to hard working engineers who have actually done the real training to have and hold the title.

 

[Engineer54]

charted enginer is a protected title but normal enginer isnt


the professional titles of Engineering Technician (EngTech), Incorporated Engineer IEng), Chartered Engineer (CEng) and ICT Technician (ICTTech) may only be used by those who have been granted these titles through registration with the Engineering Council.

www.engc.org.uk/statusofengineers.aspx

It's actually the Engineering Council that is officiating the title of ''Engineer'' at the end of the day.

 

[Harni]

You can dress it up as you like, in the trade people who matter know what the definition of an engineer is, and it is certainely a merited position most of us will not achieve.

I'm not trying to dress it up at all. To be honest, I couldn't care if I'm referred to as a engineer or not. Like I said in my original post, I chose engineer from the list on the poll because that's the closest to what I do.

 

[andyelectric]

How can i answer that, if you won't answer the question i asked above??

I think I have already stated my position reasonably clearly in that lack of registration does not preclude you being an Engineer. Certainly in the Armed Forces there are many who could register as CEng or IEng but choose not to do so as it does not have any bearing on their role in the forces and would simply amount to a yearly fee for nothing. With my quals and experience I could have registered as IEng but chose not to do so.

Do you seriously expect Forces personnel to register for a membership that would do nothing for them?

Edit.. Having seen your answer to my question of 'are you a chartered engineer?' on another part of the forum it would appear that you are as I originally thought 'willy wanging' your registered status.

 

[shanky887614]

I think I have already stated my position reasonably clearly in that lack of registration does not preclude you being an Engineer. Certainly in the Armed Forces there are many who could register as CEng or IEng but choose not to do so as it does not have any bearing on their role in the forces and would simply amount to a yearly fee for nothing. With my quals and experience I could have registered as IEng but chose not to do so.

Do you seriously expect Forces personnel to register for a membership that would do nothing for them?

no i dont think he is saying that, what he will mean is someone that meets the requirements if they signed up with them to get it.

 

[jimmymac]

The way I see it, your either a professionally registered Engineer or your not, simple!

 

[Slowhand]

In the late 90's I did a lot of work for a " suit ", very posh with a plum in his mouth, always immaculately dressed. He was well respected as a successful businessman and for his extensive knowledge on most things to do with building and steelwork etc etc.
I assumed he was some sort of quantity surveyor or similar.
His card had his name on it with Bais 1974 hons. next to it.
One night after a couple of drinks I asked him what it stood for, some kind of honours degree I thought.
He looked at me and smiled, swore me to secrecy and told me.
Bais 1974 hons = Been at it since 1974 honestly!
He also told me l was the first person ever to ask.

 

[andyelectric]

The way I see it, your either a professionally registered Engineer or your not, simple!

That as a statement is inherently correct.

However, the real question we are trying to answer is should those qualified and experienced who could register but do not be calling themselves Engineers. This is of particular relevance to the Armed Forces where there is no benefit to registering, only a financial downside.

To put it another way, should a time served qualified electrician be calling himself an electrician if he is not registered with some body or other be it JIB or a CPS.

 

[ipf]

No 'approved' or 'technician' listed, I see. They used to be the terms used for those completing the 'full set' of A, B and C certs. How things change, eh!

A - Electrician
B - Approved electrician
C - Technician

 

[Knobhead]

I was the type of manager who in closed company might have occasionally have used that type of language. But it would be reserved for those that deserved it. I certainly wouldn't have generalised and tarnished everyone with the same brush in public like you do.

You are correct that I don't know you. But I do know your internet persona. And that I do not like.

I’m the same in real life. And to add I can’t say I’m over enamoured with you.

I spent too much time as production manager trying to put right the discord caused by two ex RAF warrant offices who though they knew how to run a production shift.
The company had a misguided policy of taking on ex RAF offices, I’m happy to say I broke that mould. Coming from the bulk chemical industry I was used to the pressures of a high production environment, more than could be said for my opposite numbers.
The big difference was my team were on my side, they knew I’d push them to get that bonus in their pocket.

Just to rub it in. I worked as a professional photographer doing many military functions. I can out shout a Coldstream RSM. Shouting works in some environments.

You mentioned letters after your name, there’s more letters after my name than my name is long.

 

[andyelectric]

I’m the same in real life. And to add I can’t say I’m over enamoured with you.

I spent too much time as production manager trying to put right the discord caused by two ex RAF warrant offices who though they knew how to run a production shift.
The company had a misguided policy of taking on ex RAF offices, I’m happy to say I broke that mould. Coming from the bulk chemical industry I was used to the pressures of a high production environment, more than could be said for my opposite numbers.
The big difference was my team were on my side, they knew I’d push them to get that bonus in their pocket.

Just to rub it in. I worked as a professional photographer doing many military functions. I can out shout a Coldstream RSM. Shouting works in some environments.

You mentioned letters after your name, there’s more letters after my name than my name is long.

Don't know what you are trying to 'rub in'. I have rarely found the need to shout loud except when in the vicinity of machinery, or gunfire.
I've never mentioned letters after my name. The reason is I have none.

And I doubt your team would follow you if as you state if you were constantly calling them "minions" or "muppets" to their faces. I expect that in real life such words were rarely used face to face.

 

[Harni]

Don't know what you are trying to 'rub in'. I have rarely found the need to shout loud except when in the vicinity of machinery, or gunfire.
I've never mentioned letters after my name. The reason is I have none.

And I doubt your team would follow you if as you state if you were constantly calling them "minions" or "muppets" to their faces. I expect that in real life such words were rarely used face to face.

I had a manager like that once. He ended up with a broken nose and 2 black eyes and that was before i got to get near him!

 

[shanky887614]

I had a manager like that once. He ended up with a broken nose and 2 black eyes and that was before i got to get near him!

my supervisor was like that, i told him to **** off and do it himself, the mardy basted needed knocking down a peg

he is golden to me now, if he shouts ill shout back and make life hard for him (he doesn't pay the wages and isn't my boss so)