Who will you vote for?

[Diddy]

The ****less idle who live on the dole are a bit of a red herring. The fact is that most claimants of welfare are employees who recieve poor wages from greedy employers unwilling to pay a fair wage, the government is then forced to top up the low wage in the form of tax credits. If employers were no longer subsidised and made pay a fair wage then the welfare budget could be slashed.

Yep this is a massive problem. One that needs deep thought to work out. Because you cant just stop the in work benefits without something in its place. Maybe a much higher minimum wage ? Some clever bod needs to work ot how much it costs region by region to "live". What it costs to eat/heat and shelter someone pluss 10% pocket money. Divide that up into a wage and go from there.
Obviously its not that easy but something has to give - will prices go up ? Probably. Will shareholder loose out ? probably. Will pensions be effected ? Yep. But we really will have to start looking at this stuff.
The answers to the worlds problems do not lie in big business leeching cheap labour and tax payers subsidizing them to turn a profit...if we are a market driven economy then do it properly - its time we stopped subsidizing multi national companies - If there is demand for a product/service then there will always be someone wanting to supply...time to stop the big tax breaks ect.

 

[trev]

The Kingfisher Group experienced a 7% drop in profits recently.
To put that in perspective, for every hundred quid they profited last year they ONLY (?) profited £93 this year (obviously the chronology is wrong but I'm sure you get the gist)
Their answer is to announce the closure of something like 60 outlets. How many jobs are going to be lost?
**** like this should be illegal

 

[Octopus]

The Kingfisher Group experienced a 7% drop in profits recently.
To put that in perspective, for every hundred quid they profited last year they ONLY (?) profited £93 this year (obviously the chronology is wrong but I'm sure you get the gist)
Their answer is to announce the closure of something like 60 outlets. How many jobs are going to be lost?
**** like this should be illegal

**** like this should be illegal.

Don't be so stupid

 

[trev]

**** like this should be illegal.

Don't be so stupid

Saint Margaret of Kesteven would be proud of you

 

[Octopus]

Saint Margaret of Kesteven would be proud of you

Illegal???? You are stark raving mad.

 

[plugsandsparks]

This is why I really don't understand socialists / lefties approach to dealing with business in a capitalist global economy. Anybody on here who is self employed / runs a business has exactly the same issues to deal with as a Kingfisher except a plc has one big disadvantage, it can be bought outright. I don't know about anybody else but I do make cuts to my costs every year, whether it be my energy costs, insurance costs, scam membership, banking etc etc. So as I cut my suppliers get less and also need to cut etc etc. This is necessary to keep me competitive and make sure I can generate a profit to keep Mrs P&S in the luxury she has become used to. If a Kingfisher has incurred a profits drop, then there will be a view as to whether it is run properly or not and ultimately the management can be replaced / or more worryingly it can be bought outright by a Carrefour for example. This is why business has to be supported and encouraged in the UK as its business that employs people and paying NI, pensions and CT and those employees pay tax, NI and spend money hence VAT.
Lefties kill this all stone dead, they should never be in power in a Global capitalist system, its a way too dangerous world for idealistic (wouldn't the world be great if)..... ideas that simply don't work. VOTE TORY its our only hope.

 

[Diddy]

This is why I really don't understand socialists / lefties approach to dealing with business in a capitalist global economy. Anybody on here who is self employed / runs a business has exactly the same issues to deal with as a Kingfisher except a plc has one big disadvantage, it can be bought outright. I don't know about anybody else but I do make cuts to my costs every year, whether it be my energy costs, insurance costs, scam membership, banking etc etc. So as I cut my suppliers get less and also need to cut etc etc. This is necessary to keep me competitive and make sure I can generate a profit to keep Mrs P&S in the luxury she has become used to. If a Kingfisher has incurred a profits drop, then there will be a view as to whether it is run properly or not and ultimately the management can be replaced / or more worryingly it can be bought outright by a Carrefour for example. This is why business has to be supported and encouraged in the UK as its business that employs people and paying NI, pensions and CT and those employees pay tax, NI and spend money hence VAT.
Lefties kill this all stone dead, they should never be in power in a Global capitalist system, its a way too dangerous world for idealistic (wouldn't the world be great if)..... ideas that simply don't work. VOTE TORY its our only hope.

Global capitalist system....what bull. So every year while you are busy cutting costs do you cut your prices to suit ? If you do not then the only person seeing the benefit of your cuts is "self". Thank goodness less than a third of those who can be bothered to vote are not silly enough to be taken in by the tories.
As I said above if we are using a pure capitalist model then we should adhere to it completely. No taxpayer subsidizing, No bailouts NOTHING. If business want to use OUR public services like road,rail,police,education....you know that stuff that actually enables business to operate, Then they should dam well pay for it along with the rest of us not just take take take and then eventually bugger off out of the country because they have bled it dry.
I actually realize that all the dream left wing policies are unachievable but I do know if they were achieved we would ALL be better off including businesses. If the right wingers continue to get their way then within a generation we will all be reminiscing about the times it used to all be "free" but now it is too expensive.
Time to get rid of the Tory scum, Its our only hope !!!

 

[Octopus]

CAVEAT*****

Source of information will be revealed later!


So everybody gets upset about the right to buy policy of the Conservative Government led by Margaret Thatcher of 1979 - but:

1. In what year was it first in a Party manifesto?
2. For which political party?

Have fun

 

[trev]

This is why business has to be supported and encouraged in the UK as its business that employs people

So would you be happy if your son/daughter/wife was employed on an exploitative zero hours contract and was reliant on top ups from the benefit system to make ends meet?
It's supporting a business after all

 

[Octopus]

So would you be happy if your son/daughter/wife was employed on an exploitative zero hours contract and was reliant on top ups from the benefit system to make ends meet?
It's supporting a business after all

Or if you are in Doncaster, subsidising your Council Tax

 

[andyb]

CAVEAT*****

Source of information will be revealed later!


So everybody gets upset about the right to buy policy of the Conservative Government led by Margaret Thatcher of 1979 - but:

1. In what year was it first in a Party manifesto?
2. For which political party?

Have fun

I think the ability to buy council houses was around for years, it was the Thatcher government made it a legal right. (I think)

Who gets upset though? It was 35 years ago. I disagree with it but I'm certainly not upset, although I can't speak for everyone.
Why are you upset Murdoch?

 

[Guest77]

I think the ability to buy council houses was around for years, it was the Thatcher government made it a legal right. (I think)

Who gets upset though? It was 35 years ago. I disagree with it but I'm certainly not upset, although I can't speak for everyone.
Why are you upset Murdoch?

Because we will not agree with his extreme views, he slags everyone off, all parties, yet we know not what he believes in, every policy mentioned here he disagrees with, thats why he is angry lol. Joking aside I really like Clive, but his political views are very secret.

 

[Octopus]

I think the ability to buy council houses was around for years, it was the Thatcher government made it a legal right. (I think)

Who gets upset though? It was 35 years ago. I disagree with it but I'm certainly not upset, although I can't speak for everyone.
Why are you upset Murdoch?

So come on and try and answer my Saturday quiz!

 

[andyb]

So come on and try and answer my Saturday quiz!

Labour 1959, I googled it.

And?

 

[Octopus]

Labour 1959, I googled it.

And?

Well, all you left leaning voters attack The Conservatives for what is actually a Labour policy. Go figure