Why we and our customers need Part P scheme

[ezzzekiel]

Its crap

 

[stansmith]

the problem is how do hard working qualified sparks as ive seen so far on this forum fight back to stop these money making schemes accepting anyone? Like its been said in the thread to sign work off we should have 2391 and the proper necessary qualifications to be on the scheme.
Its a kick in the teeth that the schemes cost so much so you can be recognised through a part p scheme but when they accept anyone , theyre lowering the standards!
and as far as this part p/ domestic installer qualification goes i know tutors which disagree with this as they say its a loophole in the industry and leting any old tradesman sit a domestic installers course and let them add circuits or adapt existing ones is an insult i did a five year apprenticeship worked hard and paid for my own 17th edition and my 2391 so i could install and sign off circuits i accept the fact that we need a scheme to regulate the standards of the industry but when they charge so much and let anyone join is an insult

 

[alarm man]

Hello Each



Part P City & Guilds - A recognised GOVERNMENT qualification.
GasSafe - Exactly...its advertised and well known. Customer don't know or care where they get the their
Part P is a Joke..? - STOP slagging off Part P. you are de-regulating yourselves in the eyes of the public.

part p is a a joke,it allows what ever trade to install in my house when i cant,tho i have bought a new db which im going to fit myself and im going to pull the main fuse while i do it.im quite happy to attend any court in the land who says im not qualified to do it without part p..

 

[stansmith]

part p is a a joke,it allows what ever trade to install in my house when i cant,tho i have bought a new db which im going to fit myself and im going to pull the main fuse while i do it.im quite happy to attend any court in the land who says im not qualified to do it without part p..

exactly mate and i would do exactly the same thing i agree with part p in some sense but untill they sort the problems that the REAL sparks face with the schemes why would sparks not call it a joke? A recognised standard of work is great dont get me wrong but when they expect that much money when they can let anyone in from the useless domestic installers course why would we be happy about it?

 

[stansmith]

Hello Each



Part P City & Guilds - A recognised GOVERNMENT qualification.
GasSafe - Exactly...its advertised and well known. Customer don't know or care where they get the their
Part P is a Joke..? - STOP slagging off Part P. you are de-regulating yourselves in the eyes of the public.

but the public havent got a clue about electrical standars and with the flaws in the schemes why would REAL sparks not call it a joke i hope for gods sake that you havent just sat a domestic installers course and consider yourself a spark, because people who do that arent fooling anyone

 

[alarm man]

but the public havent got a clue about electrical standars and with the flaws in the schemes why would REAL sparks not call it a joke i hope for gods sake that you havent just sat a domestic installers course and consider yourself a spark, because people who do that arent fooling anyone

a quick read of his posts will tell you he's just another chancer..

 

[ezzzekiel]

After 6 years of membership that totals around £2000 in fees without the additional costs for job notifications etc - membership ran out a month ago and wont be renewed

 

[Mark_Burgess]

Hello Each



Part P City & Guilds - A recognised GOVERNMENT qualification. Part P is a building regulation!!! If there is a specifically named Part P C&G qualification then show me. And not that one the C&G 2393-10, that is a basic watered down dribble on work in domestic properties in accordance with the Part P building regulation.
GasSafe - Exactly...its advertised and well known. Customer don't know or care where they get the their
Part P is a Joke..? - STOP slagging off Part P. you are de-regulating yourselves in the eyes of the public.

It appears to me that you have done your "17 day course as you put in another thread" to become a domestic electrician and unfortunately you have been fooled into believing you have come out with a "Part P" qualification. I think you will find that almost every time served electrician will say Part P is a joke. It is a Tax on the hard working electrician.
I am all up for the "career change 17 day learners" to be regulated they need it as they lack the experience.

 

[stansmith]

^^^^totally agree mate all these underqualified domestic installers are taking money from proffessional sparkies and to defend the "part p"/domestic installers course is an insult

Ithought the intention of this course was so that plumbers and chippys could do small ammounts of electrical work in relation to their trade?

but these guys after a hard days incorrectly installing just throw their tools in their tool saddle unhitch their horses and ride on home yeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

 

[mogga]

PART"P" Qualification doesNOT Exist you may be qualified to the prescribed aspects of part"P"

its like 17th edition tester they are exactly the same as 16th edition testers just another way to fleece money
I did my 17th update at select there was a publican,kitchen fitter , lift engineer on it the publican was doing it so he could check the work of others being done on his rental houses as he didnt trust "PartP" and wanted to check work done was up to standard I recon he was also going to do work for himself TV Programes with the wee baldy Dude and her with the big puppies Sa such things as "Save money by doing the wiring your self ect ect BALLS Im so glad Im not a D.I. or work under part"P" its all a load of guff and not regulated To regulate electrical work limitations are required on who can buy certain electrical parts in the same way as gasSafe limits thousands of items to those having gassafe card

 

[simpson93]

Hello All

I have read a lot on this site with regards to Part P and Part P scheme.

Having a Part P qualification gives the electrician or Domestic installer the theory and knowledge to safely install, under this country's building regulations, any electrial job be it installing a new plug socket or an entire re-wire.

Customers should choose Part P regulated/qualified persons because they can be sure that their electrical jobs are being solved in such a way that will not cause problems or future problems for their home.

Those under Part P shemes should give the customer confidence in their electrician/domestic installer that notfiable work shall be notified to building regulations and will not have a detrimental effect on thier housing insurance if it is not (e.g New installation of a CU NOT being certificated and notified to building regs when it damn well should be and then later catching fire).

We should be fullly supporting all aspects of Part P and making sure our customers/potential customers know that they need a Part P qualified person working in their home for their own safety, and not continually slagging Part P off and effectively de-regulating ourselves.

Customers would not have anyone working on their gas if that person/company was not Gas Safe, we have to get that very same messege across about Part P. Slaggiing Part P off does not and will not help keep the customers safe but it will continue to let the rougue traders trade and take money from the decent, honest Part P schemed persons pocket.

Merry Christmas one and all :santa_cheesy:

sounds abit like a sales pitch for courses,
im not a fan of part p. the idea works but it doesnt.
i think soon part p will be scrapped and be replaced with a course where we will have to pay a fee to building control or somthing, either way the prices arnt going anywhere. even if they scrap part p there still going to find a way to stich us for a bill of 300 or more.

 

[simpson93]

the problem is how do hard working qualified sparks as ive seen so far on this forum fight back to stop these money making schemes accepting anyone? Like its been said in the thread to sign work off we should have 2391 and the proper necessary qualifications to be on the scheme.
Its a kick in the teeth that the schemes cost so much so you can be recognised through a part p scheme but when they accept anyone , theyre lowering the standards!
and as far as this part p/ domestic installer qualification goes i know tutors which disagree with this as they say its a loophole in the industry and leting any old tradesman sit a domestic installers course and let them add circuits or adapt existing ones is an insult i did a five year apprenticeship worked hard and paid for my own 17th edition and my 2391 so i could install and sign off circuits i accept the fact that we need a scheme to regulate the standards of the industry but when they charge so much and let anyone join is an insult

how is that going to help?
i have the 2392 testing and inspecting due to the fact that i dont have alot of 3phase testing experiance, does that mean i cant test a house?

 

[Baconhead]

Well i've got 2360 pt1&2and C 17th edition,2391.
I on do indust and comm work installs,
Tray,Conduit, Trunking and all the other stuff but because i'm not Part P i can't do dometics in my own house what a f****ing joke.

 

[SPARTYKUS]

Well i've got 2360 pt1&2and C 17th edition,2391.
I on do indust and comm work installs,
Tray,Conduit, Trunking and all the other stuff but because i'm not Part P i can't do dometics in my own house what a f****ing joke.

. ....but you can you just need to pay the LA a fortune

 

[stansmith]

how is that going to help?
i have the 2392 testing and inspecting due to the fact that i dont have alot of 3phase testing experiance, does that mean i cant test a house?

of course you can and should just pointing out that correct quals are important and youve got them ,domestic test qual anyway