Young boy killed in pub garden

[mattg4321]

Parents of electrocuted boy, 7, sob in court watching CCTV of his final moments

THE parents of a little boy killed by an electric shock as he played in a pub garden sobbed in court today as they watched CCTV of his final moments. Harvey Tyrrell, seven, suffered a massive shock…

www.thesun.co.uk

Not sure if this has been posted before but it just goes to show that eventually someone does get hurt. We’ve all seen loads of jobs where we wonder how it didn’t kill someone.

The terminology in the article is bad, but reading between the lines it sounds like no rcd protection and no cpc at class 1 outside lights. Probably poorly fitted too no doubt. By an ‘electrician’ with 50 years experience! He should really be facing jail time imo.

It doesn’t surprise me that it was a pub. Most of them are death traps from what I’ve seen.

 

[pc1966]

Yes sometimes we need to careful when we use acronyms.
BBC for example. Can mean something else completely on some types of forums!

CBT can mean something VERY different if you are on other forums!

 

[loz2754]

CBT can mean something VERY different if you are on other forums!

What's wrong with cognitive behavioural therapy? ?

 

[telectrix]

What's wrong with cognitive behavioural therapy? ?

i'd tell you if i had a clue what it was.

 

[DefyG]

I think the big difference with this installation however is that it is a public premises and therefore anybody knowing about its C1's are legally obliged to report it to the HSE if the owner refuses to have it rectified. Legally you're not allowed to just 'walk away'. It's a very important distinction.

The sparks was probably one of the landlords 'mates' regular customers and wouldn't upset the apple cart by reporting anything. Probably did the work for a couple of free pints so no invoice, no record of having done anything (work wise) at the pub until something goes badly wrong ...... ie the young lad losing his life!!

 

[Mike Johnson]

If I remember correctly the electrician was the landlords BIL and shall we say quite old, or is that in the prime of his life.

CBT = Compulsory Bike Training Is all I can find, how sheltered has my life been?

 

[loz2754]

The sparks was probably one of the landlords 'mates' regular customers and wouldn't upset the apple cart by reporting anything. Probably did the work for a couple of free pints so no invoice, no record of having done anything (work wise) at the pub until something goes badly wrong ...... ie the young lad losing his life!!

And very sad to hear. My heart goes out to those affected by this tragedy.
Also very sad to say it will make little or no long term difference to most people who read this.
It will be forgotten about within a short time. But if even one landlord takes notice and takes positive action that will mean something.

 

[telectrix]

last pub i went to quote on was a nightmare. CU high level behind bar but could be reached off a stool. no cover on it, more cables than screwfix stock. was a 10 way board and it needed at least a 20 way. loads of bodged additions. quoted him 2 grand to replace with full 20 way RCBO board and wasn't surprised when he didn't accept.

 

[Mike Johnson]

I suppose that Pub Landlords in a tied pub are on full repairing leas's, will have to investigate the responsibility of the freeholder on safety issue's, but in this time when lots of Pubs are closing and there is no Landlord in residence the freeholder must become responsible for the installation?

 

[Electrics]

The sparks was probably one of the landlords 'mates' regular customers and wouldn't upset the apple cart by reporting anything. Probably did the work for a couple of free pints so no invoice, no record of having done anything (work wise) at the pub until something goes badly wrong ...... ie the young lad losing his life!!

True the artcle says they were brothers in law

 

[brianmoooore]

did the work for a couple of free pints so no invoice,

Beer and food was my payment for the one foray ever into pub electrics that I mentioned earlier in the thread. The MCBs for the kitchen power circuits were showing extreme signs of distress through overheating, unused ways weren't blanked off, and the boards were at waist height in an unlocked cupboard on the public side of the bar. As far as records show, I was never there.
The stress of the first lockdown gave the then owner a nervous breakdown, it was put on the market and quickly sold to one of the managers, who then shut the place down completely until the beginning of December, using the time in between to completely refurbish the place, including the wiring, so hopefully all is well now.

 

[Electrics]

Beer and food was my payment for the one foray ever into pub electrics that I mentioned earlier in the thread. The MCBs for the kitchen power circuits were showing extreme signs of distress through overheating, unused ways weren't blanked off, and the boards were at waist height in an unlocked cupboard on the public side of the bar. As far as records show, I was never there.
The stress of the first lockdown gave the then owner a nervous breakdown, it was put on the market and quickly sold to one of the managers, who then shut the place down completely until the beginning of December, using the time in between to completely refurbish the place, including the wiring, so hopefully all is well now.

Not being funny but reporting something like that prevents these sorts of things. You should have.

 

[brianmoooore]

I did report my concerns verbally to the landlord, and advised him to employ competent electricians to sort it out. I've always had more work lined up than I could ever possibly do, so I wasn't interested in taking it on.

 

[Electrics]

I did report my concerns verbally to the landlord, and advised him to employ competent electricians to sort it out. I've always had more work lined up than I could ever possibly do, so I wasn't interested in taking it on.

No i meant to HSE. If a workplace is literally a danger to human life you have a duty (legally and i would say morally) to report it. If the electrician in question on the article about the young boy had done the same instead of 'raising his eyebrows' and assuming the landlord would sort it in due time, the boy would still be alive.

 

[brianmoooore]

In a perfect world, yes, but this is my local I'm talking about, and there isn't another pub for 5 miles. I don't think the landlord would really appreciate the involvement of HSE.
In any case, I was never there for the breakdown.

 

[FatAlan]

I suppose that Pub Landlords in a tied pub are on full repairing leas's, will have to investigate the responsibility of the freeholder on safety issue's, but in this time when lots of Pubs are closing and there is no Landlord in residence the freeholder must become responsible for the installation?

Know where you’re coming from on that Mike. A lot of pub chains are renowned for screwing their tenants. They take their rent and commission but I bet all responsibility for building maintenance including costs is weighed on the tenant. Perhaps someone knows more detail? Been in a few locals in recent years and cringed at the wiring lash ups on display.