NICEIC Certification Scheme 2391 V NICEIC - Whats the point in 2391??

[Steve Bramah]

Really? Any evidence of this? Or is it well they will try anything to get out getting things done mentality?

Hi, have you ever submitted a certificate to Building control or an Insurance company, under your own name?

 

[Steve Bramah]

Really? Any evidence of this? Or is it well they will try anything to get out getting things done mentality?

Hi, have you ever submitted a certificate to Building control or an Insurance company, under your own name?

 

[westward10]

If you are a "qualifying supervisor" signing off certificates, but you aren't qualified to fill in the certificate, how does that work?

Not qualified. Not sure how to take that

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Hi, have you ever submitted a certificate to Building control or an Insurance company, under your own name?

I have, even when the Insurance Co. requested that the EIC be from an NICEIC registered installer.

 

[Andy78]

Hi Andy, so what you are saying, is that because you are a qualified electrician, you are automatically entitled to fill in a cert to cover the work you have undertaken. Why do you think that BS2391 was introduced? Its a level above 1st and 2nd fix installation. To gain 2391, you need to be able to understand the readings that your test equipment has just given you. You need to be able to correlate the readings, to what might be expected. I'm not trying to decry people from thinking that sparks should be confident in what they have installed, but 2391 gives you lots of mathematical equasions that can qualify your readings. Its not that simple. Thats why 2391 exists!

Um.... all that knowledge comes with standard training, at least it did with mine. Why testing exists, how to test, how to interpret results, all the equations and physics behind testing and results, how to fill in a cert etc.
I'm sorry but your assertion that the 2391 or equivalent quals are required to be able to test and certificate work is nonsense and you won't be able to back that up with anything more than opinion.

 

[Steve Bramah]

The 2391 qualification was introduced (as I have already pointed out) at the behest of the NICEIC as a requirement for the role of QS.
As for signing off their own work.
Any electrician working in accordance with BS7671 (regardless of qualifications), must be able to sign off their work.

Hi, so look at the above posts, to find a guy that is a QS, but doesn't have 2391!

 

[Dillb]

Hi, have you ever submitted a certificate to Building control or an Insurance company, under your own name?

Why would I? It’s a pointless excercise, you actually think they will do anything with it other than lose it?

 

[westward10]

Hi, so look at the above posts, to find a guy that is a QS, but doesn't have 2391!

Do you think I would benefit from having it.

 

[Steve Bramah]

Um.... all that knowledge comes with standard training, at least it did with mine. Why testing exists, how to test, how to interpret results, all the equations and physics behind testing and results, how to fill in a cert etc.
I'm sorry but your assertion that the 2391 or equivalent quals are required to be able to test and certificate work is nonsense and you won't be able to back that up with anything more than opinion.

Fair comment. Try joinin NIC or Elecsa without it.

 

[Ian1981]

My QS at my company also doesn’t hold a qualification in inspection and testing but has held the role of QS for around 15 years and is present annually upon inspection by the Niceic area inspector

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Hi, so look at the above posts, to find a guy that is a QS, but doesn't have 2391!

So read through the previous posts.
You'll also see where I stated the requirement was dropped.

 

[123]

Hi Andy, so what you are saying, is that because you are a qualified electrician, you are automatically entitled to fill in a cert to cover the work you have undertaken. Why do you think that BS2391 was introduced? Its a level above 1st and 2nd fix installation. To gain 2391, you need to be able to understand the readings that your test equipment has just given you. You need to be able to correlate the readings, to what might be expected. I'm not trying to decry people from thinking that sparks should be confident in what they have installed, but 2391 gives you lots of mathematical equasions that can qualify your readings. Its not that simple. Thats why 2391 exists!

It's not a British Standard, it's merely a qualification. Referring to it as BS2391 is incorrect.

 

[Andy78]

Fair comment. Try joinin NIC or Elecsa without it.

For a long time the minimum requirements of NICEIC DI membership was the 2382 regs course, Elecsa were slightly higher. They are now owned by the same group and I don't think either require test and inspection quals to join. Not entirely sure now as I ditched my Elecsa membership a few years ago.

The membership of a scheme has nothing to do with your ability or competence to test and inspect work so not entirely sure what your point is here.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

It's not a British Standard, it's merely a qualification. Referring to it as BS2391 is incorrect.

From what I understand, the invigilators are quite hot on correct terminology in the 2391 exam.

 

[Steve Bramah]

Do you think I would benefit from having it.

If the job that you are in allows you to be a qualifying officer, without holding 2391, then don't rock the boat.