3 phase domestic supply

[John-SJW]

I watched this vid on Youtube. Interesting. They have 3 phase supplies. Does anyone know the cost of upgrading from a single to a 3 phase domestic supply?

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI7wxNtrorQ&lc=UgyPTN2d89tBByfm4Dx4AaABAg.9CrcYe7x50b9CsC6DnPJKw

 

[John-SJW]

Are EVs bad for the environment. Conclusion is no:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RhtiPefVzM

 

[nicebutdim]

As a resource, Youtube could provide a never ending supply of videos to support any position imaginable. I've made my points and you're welcome to disagree, but I see no merit in posting videos intended to push a particular agenda.

 

[John-SJW]

Your point is that EVs will cost more in the long run to maintain. That is false, based on myth and propaganda:

• EVs do not not needed servicing;
• They have about 14 moving parts, promising to have a life spans far, far greater than ICE cars;
• The batteries are dropping like lead balloons in price. (Did you look at Tong Seba's vid? Please do);

The new solid state Toyota battery:

• The prototype cells can fully charge in 15 minutes;
• Capacity loss of just 10% over 30 years;
• Millions of recharges before any degradation;
• Fully recharged in less than 15 minutes;
• Half the size and weight of existing batteries for the same storage;
• The price will be roughly the same as current batteries - in effect half the price.

Others are also working on solid state batteries.

 

[davesparks]

• EVs do not not needed servicing;

They are complex machines with moving parts, they will need some form of servicing or maintainence.
Machines with moving parts that don't receive proper maintainence fail.

Suggesting that electric vehicles don't need any servicing is nonsense.

 

[John-SJW]

As a resource, Youtube could provide a never ending supply of videos to support any position imaginable. I've made my points and you're welcome to disagree, but I see no merit in posting videos intended to push a particular agenda.

To make a point it is best to do some research, then some analysis. I have noticed these appalling cars you are fond of, which waste 80% of the energy in the tank, you have not mentioned the poison they pour out the tailpipes.

Best to look at and understand the videos I posted, all based on factual research. It is clear you never looked at them.

I do not have an opinion, I am concluding after research on the subject and analysis. Very different.

 

[davesparks]

• They have about 14 moving parts, promising to have a life spans far, far greater than ICE cars;

The new solid state Toyota battery:

• The prototype cells can fully charge in 15 minutes;
• Capacity loss of just 10% over 30 years;
• Millions of recharges before any degradation;
• Fully recharged in less than 15 minutes;
• Half the size and weight of existing batteries for the same storage;
• The price will be roughly the same as current batteries - in effect half the price.

They are promising lifespans? That's great but promises don't prove anything.

As you say, they are prototype batteries, not finished products, just prototypes. A lot of prototypes are nothing like their finished product if they even progress that far at all.

These are lots of predictions of what they 'will be' or 'will do' but you don't offer any evidence, just statements that appear to be straight out of a marketing department.

 

[John-SJW]

They are complex machines with moving parts, they will need some form of servicing or maintainence.
Machines with moving parts that don't receive proper maintainence fail.

Suggesting that electric vehicles don't need any servicing is nonsense.

EVs are simple. Very simple. A battery set, an electric motor and some solid-state control. EVs do not need an annual service. No oil, spark plugs or filters to change. No calibration. No host of other devices to fail either. The MOT will pick up any problems like wheel bearing and steering wear.

Some makers recommend you take them in for a walk around by a mechanic. That is more to drum up business for the dealer than what the car needs.

 

[pc1966]

EVs are simple. Very simple. A battery set, an electric motor and some solid-state control. EVs do not need an annual service. No oil, spark plugs or filters to change.

No friction brakes? No hydraulics to operate them? No mechanical steering linkages? No suspension? No bodywork to rust?

There are many other things that cars have that fail the MOT that are utterly unrelated to the engine.

I know, had more than one car fail to the point of being scrapped on rust damage to the underside and running gear when otherwise it was fine

 

[davesparks]

EVs are simple. Very simple. A battery set, an electric motor and some solid-state control. EVs do not need an annual service. No oil, spark plugs or filters to change. No calibration. No host of other devices to fail either. The MOT will pick up any problems like wheel bearing and steering wear.

Some makers recommend you take them in for a walk around by a mechanic. That is more to drum up business for the dealer than what the car needs.

I did not say that they need an annual service, I said that they will need maintainence or servicing.
As you have pointed out they still have bearings, steering components which all wear and require servicing or maintainence.
They will presumably still have brakes, lights, air conditioning, power steering, and the whole host of driver/passenger comforts and extras that normal cars do? These all can and do go wrong, need service/matinence.

Manufacturers have been pushing longer and longer service intervals for years at the detriment to the longevity of machines.
'maintainence free' and 'sealed for life' mechanisms are driving this culture of obsolesence where parts become disposable rather than repairable.

 

[John-SJW]

They are promising lifespans? That's great but promises don't prove anything.

As you say, they are prototype batteries, not finished products, just prototypes. A lot of prototypes are nothing like their finished product if they even progress that far at all.

These are lots of predictions of what they 'will be' or 'will do' but you don't offer any evidence, just statements that appear to be straight out of a marketing department.

If you had been keeping pace, you would know that Toyota were to announce the new solid state battery at the Tokyo Olympics to gain maximum publicity. Production in five years. Covid scuppered it. So they announced it a few weeks back in a low key way.

Toyota have finished the R&D stage. The technology is proven. It is now in the stage to get it manufactured in a mass scale. That means machines designed and made to manufacture the batteries and the factories set up.

This overspills to the domestic market in cheaper Powerwall types of batteries.
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No friction brakes? No hydraulics to operate them? No mechanical steering linkages? No suspension? No bodywork to rust?

There are many other things that cars have that fail the MOT that are utterly unrelated to the engine.

I know, had more than one car fail to the point of being scrapped on rust damage to the underside and running gear when otherwise it was fine

The MOT will pick up any of those faults. Braking is mainly magnetic. Toyota have sold few brake pads for the Prius, as they rarely operate. Friction brakes are just back up. Any problems on the cars will energise a warning light. So an MOT and any problems between the driver will be alerted. No annual service needed. They will need fixing if and when things go wrong. That is not servicing. Nothing to service.

 

[davesparks]

If you had been keeping pace, you would know that Toyota were to announce the new solid state battery at the Tokyo Olympics to gain maximum publicity. Production in five years. Covid scuppered it. So they announced it a few weeks back in a low key way.

Toyota have finished the R&D stage. The technology is proven. It is now in the stage to get it manufactured in a mass scale. That means machines designed and made to manufacture the batteries and the factories set up.

This overspills to the domestic market in cheaper Powerwall types of batteries.

Manufacturers announcing something doesn't mean they have it finished and ready to go to market, it just means that the marketing department wants to announce it.

If production isn't expected for another 5 years then it isn't a finished product ready for market is it!
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The MOT will pick up any of those faults. Braking is mainly magnetic. Toyota have sold few brake pads for the Prius, as they rarely operate. Friction brakes are just back up. Any problems on the cars will energise a warning light. So an MOT and any problems between the driver will be alerted. No annual service needed.

Servicing will be needed, no probably not annually, but then it isn't needed annually for any other vehicle. Servicing is recommended at set mileage intervals for vehicles.

Off the rope of my head some items which are included in standard vehicle services which will be the same for EVs are:
Check and replace brake fluid, replace pollen filters, check and replace power steering fluid, check and top up washer fluid, check and replace wiper blades.

I can get the service book for my car and we can go through everything that will need servicing exactly the same in an EV if you like?

A vehicle service is not just an oil and filter change, and it will still be required.

 

[John-SJW]

Manufacturers announcing something doesn't mean they have it finished and ready to go to market, it just means that the marketing department wants to announce it.

If production isn't expected for another 5 years then it isn't a finished product ready for market is it!

It is out of the labs, the R&D side. The tech is sorted. It is now given over to the men who will get it manufactured en mass. Very simple. Toyota stated that it will 2025 on the market. I am just repeating what I have already stated.

Tesla claim one million miles on their new batteries, available next year. They will announce on their big launch Battery Day in a week or two. This is not solid state though, but a good advance for sure.

Tesla’s new low-cost, long-life battery set for 2021 launch | Auto Express

Tesla’s next-generation battery pack could bring cost of EVs in-line with combustion-engined vehicles

www.autoexpress.co.uk

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The point is that matters on batteries are changing fast. Billions is being spent in R&D on batteries around the world. It is coming to fruition.
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davesparks, no servicing needed on EVs. None. Only fixing when they rarely go wrong.

Just like most electrical products. Servicing an EV is like trying to service an immersion heater.

 

[davesparks]

davesparks, no servicing needed on EVs. None. Only fixing when they rarely go wrong.

What about the brakes? Brake fluid? Pollen filters? Air con? Washer fluid? Tyres? Body corrosion? Hinges? Locks?

They all are part of standard service procedures on vehicles and are still part of EVs.

 

[John-SJW]

These battery advances will cascade down to the domestic & commercial markets in Powerwall types of batteries. So expect to be involved in more EV charger points and Powerwall battery fitting with associated inverters, etc.
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What about the brakes? Brake fluid? Pollen filters? Air con? Washer fluid? Tyres? Body corrosion? Hinges? Locks?

They all are part of standard service procedures on vehicles and are still part of EVs.

Washer fluid? Are you kidding?
All of those do not need an annual service. The onboard computer will tell the driver if and when they need attention.

 

[ferg]

Well at least Mrs Ferg won't be able to put the wrong electrons in an E.V.