ELECSA Certification Scheme A message to all Elecsa registered electricians!! A must read!!

[Danspark]

complete marketing drivel that the NICEIC spews out by the bucket load!! lol!!

more Propaganda! You clearly have quite a following!

 

[D Skelton]

Deleted. Sodding BlackBerry!

 

[D Skelton]

Deleted again

Sorry mods

 

[D Skelton]

I hope that both of you have an appropriate Ex certification, if any of this work you have carried out at a petrol station was within the forecourt area's or on the pumps control/protection installations?? ...lol!!!

Ex07 Eng, was the first course I did as a mate. I haven't refreshed or attended 08 since starting up on my own though.

 

[markc123]

According to an NICEIC survey from 1500 contractors I am not in the minority 49% believe that they have seen improvements in the industry. (unless that wasn't what you were referring to)

perhaps you mean about the difference between elecsa's approved contractors and their clasification on domestic installer. in which case yes, and will agree to disagree.

danspark, you seem an inteligent guy, but you can't honestly tell me you go by these surveys? I would love to get hold of that data and see who they actually asked. Guaranteed it was just part p qualified people who have had an easy way into the industry......or, NIC office staff, call workers and every relative under the sun...which wouldn't suprise me, thats how inacurate these surveys can be. Misleading is an understatement.

Saying you're correct, and this survey is accurate, and it was answered truthfully by qualified time served sparks.......it still means 51% disagree and haven't seen improvements.

As regards the elecsa's approved contractors classification....ive read this thread, took everyone opions on board, and my stance is that of d skelton's....its a complete farce.

 

[Engineer54]

more Propaganda! You clearly have quite a following!

Far from it, it's just that any fool and his dog, wouldn't believe much from any survey, let alone a single word from a survey conducted by the interested party themselves.


Think about it, you can't admittedly charge members large sums of fee's without at least having something in the way of statistics to show as a provider your making a difference. So what's the best way of getting those complementry statistic's, ....Right, conduct your ''OWN'' survey. ....Now don't start me on Statistic's, because we ALL i hope know what they say about those things!! lol!!

 

[TaffyDuck]

Dan the one thing you fail to grasp is that the NIC and ECA have hijacked this industry for their own gain. They seem to think that they, without any form of legislation to back them up, can dictate who can carry out work on non domestic systems. They do this by convincing the gullible that a good electrical contractor is NIC/ECA approved. They have also tried to do the same with EICR/Periodics but have largely failed on that.

You seem I am afraid to have fallen hook line and sinker for this.

The point that we are trying, without success it would seem, to get across to you is that the NIC have made up this DI name. We do not want it, never asked for it and avoided the NIC because of it. It has no basis in law. At no point in the ammendment to building regs that was passed by parliament and was implemented in Jan 2005 did it say the words "Domestic Installer". Approved however is used numerous times.

You seem to have been so indoctrinated by the NIC that it is impossible to budge you. It reminds me of conversations I used to have with a communist friend of mine who`s views were so ingrained that he wouldn`t even believe that it was going wrong when the Berlin wall was coming down.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Far from it, it's just that any fool and his dog, wouldn't believe much from any survey, let alone a single word from a survey conducted by the interested party themselves.


Think about it, you can't admittedly charge members large sums of fee's without at least having something in the way of statistics to show as a provider your making a difference. So what's the best way of getting those complementry statistic's, ....Right, conduct your ''OWN'' survey. ....Now don't start me on Statistic's, because we ALL i hope know what they say about those things!! lol!!

`well our statistics say`......

and...

`because our research shows`.....
lol......

 

[DJ Ovengloves]

Nowt wrong with surveys given a large enough random sample and a greater than 80% response rate.

Shame they haven't used a random sample then isn't it

 

[TaffyDuck]

I have done a survey of my family. I had 100% response, out of the 16 people surveyed, 5 wanted beef for sunday dinner, 6 lamb, 4 pork and 1 chicken. Having listened to them all and taken into consideration their views I have decided we will have chicken because its my house. :cheesy:

 

[Danspark]

I have stumbled across another thread where they discuss short courses being available that then enable someone to be become a competent person registered on a DI scheme (i’m going to assume though, for my own sanity, that they have limitations) to enable them to self certify part P. Apparently the IET do not class this person as an electrician (nor do I). I don’t have time to do the research just yet but if this is the case I understand whole heartedly why you would not want to be known as a domestic installer!
This to me would explain why some might refer to these competent persons schemes as “scams”
Be aware that I have never come across these non electrical yet competent people so they have never effected me or my business.
My domestic installer status is something I have never referred to, and my experience with the NICEIC as an approved contractor has done well for me and my company. But, as I have mentioned before, I have had reason to fall out with them, TWICE and both times it cost me money through no fault of my own, I just picked myself up and moved on.
Until I am better informed I withdraw my statement that “Part P was the best thing to happen to the industry” I will re-phrase it. “I made Part P work for me!” and it rhymes!

Dan

ps. Make no mistake though, some of the stuff that some of you have said is nothing more than uneducated here-say. you know who you are!

 

[AP Electrical]

I have stumbled across another thread where they discuss short courses being available that then enable someone to be become a competent person registered on a DI scheme (i’m going to assume though, for my own sanity, that they have limitations) to enable them to self certify part P. Apparently the IET do not class this person as an electrician (nor do I). I don’t have time to do the research just yet but if this is the case I understand whole heartedly why you would not want to be known as a domestic installer!
This to me would explain why some might refer to these competent persons schemes as “scams”
Be aware that I have never come across these non electrical yet competent people so they have never effected me or my business.
My domestic installer status is something I have never referred to, and my experience with the NICEIC as an approved contractor has done well for me and my company. But, as I have mentioned before, I have had reason to fall out with them, TWICE and both times it cost me money through no fault of my own, I just picked myself up and moved on.
Until I am better informed I withdraw my statement that “Part P was the best thing to happen to the industry” I will re-phrase it. “I made Part P work for me!” and it rhymes!

Dan

ps. Make no mistake though, some of the stuff that some of you have said is nothing more than uneducated here-say. you know who you are!

Nothing stopping them going approved contractor either, money talks............

 

[Engineer54]

ps. Make no mistake though, some of the stuff that some of you have said is nothing more than uneducated here-say. you know who you are! ​

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If your referring to me here, i don't do ''uneducated'' anything, including guesses or take hearsay as gospel!! I'm also not naive either, in that i don't get taken in by any marketing blurb hook, line and sinker, nor do believe everything that's in printed form. I've been around long enough to witness first hand, the tricks, the creative accounting and the misleading statements made in reports/surveys and the like!!


As for your assumption on DI's, NO, there are no legal/official limitations on these under qualified and inexperienced folk, on completing these fast track so called electrical training courses. Your precious NICEIC actually endorses more than one or two of these fast track training centres too!!!

 

[TaffyDuck]

In reply to my earlier letter posted here, I have had a reply from Elecsa which at least is promising..........but we will see at least who is wearing the trousers in this alliance of NIC/ECA

[FONT=&amp]Dear Mr *******,[/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]Thank you for your email and my apologies for the delay in responding to your query. We have not reduced your registration status and we apologise that the new ESR website mistakenly gives this impression. This is a point that has been raised by a number of our contractors and we are urgently seeking to a solution to the problem and hope to be able to update the ESR site accordingly in the near future. I will be in touch again as soon as we can to confirm the changes and when they will be implemented.[/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]Kind regards,[/FONT]
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[MDJ]

well done bud, you may have a result there, good stuff