ELECSA Certification Scheme A message to all Elecsa registered electricians!! A must read!!

[rattlehead85]

I think it is disgraceful how contractors who choose not to use the NIC but still pay a yearly fee who have proven time served with another body who don't implement this DI /AC crap now all of a sudden suffer for the privilege of appearing on a register which if the truth be known is full of incompetents anyway! They pay roughly the same fees as NIC members and yet they don't get properly recognised.
What a shambles!

 

[MDJ]

I get what your saying glen, the NICEIC has always had 2 schemes the approved contractor and the Domestic installer, they both had different criteria to be accredited, I undertand what your saying and also rattlehead too, honestly, but I'm just saying there is still some merit in the approved contractor and it is different than the DI, it i changing so quickly at the moment I have no Idea how much longer it will have merit, in the olden days it meant something and if you were not in the approved contractor scheme you had no chance of any commercial or industrial works with local authorities or had no chance to get on lists where real works were carried out, today it is getting less and less respect, but there is still a difference and thats all I'm saying, it still takes a bit of knowledge rather than just money to be on the AC scheme, thats my view Glenn

 

[GLENNSPARK]

I get what your saying glen, the NICEIC has always had 2 schemes the approved contractor and the Domestic installer, they both had different criteria to be accredited, I undertand what your saying and also rattlehead too, honestly, but I'm just saying there is still some merit in the approved contractor and it is different than the DI, it i changing so quickly at the moment I have no Idea how much longer it will have merit, in the olden days it meant something and if you were not in the approved contractor scheme you had no chance of any commercial or industrial works with local authorities or had no chance to get on lists where real works were carried out, today it is getting less and less respect, but there is still a difference and thats all I'm saying, it still takes a bit of knowledge rather than just money to be on the AC scheme, thats my view Glenn

hmm....
well from what i have it.....the `approved contractor` scheme run by the national inspection council used to be a minimum of 2 years opperating as a `DI` (cringe).....a di before you would even be considered for the scheme.....now you can just waltz in.......as long as you have the reddys and a few `jobs` to show em....
i`m sorry Mike....but that don`t cut it to me.....
what that says effectively...is someone who on completion of one of these `be an electrician in 7 weeks` courses.....can (given the `evidence`)....become an NIC approved contractor in no time at all.......and as such can also QS on someone elses work.....
frightful....

 

[Danspark]

oye....dummy.....yep you...
so when did a roll of G/Y become either earthin or bonding conductor.....when still on the drum eh?.....

who are you callin dummy?; dummy!

Protective equipotential bonding (‘bonding' for short) is sometimes confused with earthing - maybe you are confused because of the visual similarities between earthing and bonding, such as the green-and-yellow colour identification of the protective conductors used for both.

 

[MDJ]

Didn't know the criteria had changed regarding the AC scheme to be honest mate, I will ask my inspector about it and see what he has to say about it

 

[rattlehead85]

Well obviously MDJ what you are saying had merit a year or so back without a shadow of a doubt. Now the NIC are trying to get all their DI members onto approved status supposedly as a ploy to encourage other organisation members to switch over to get full recognition on this new register nonsense. And to do this with the attitude of minimum pain maximum gain. A quick breeze over of an inspection and job done oh and thanks for the 400+ quid.

 

[MDJ]

didn't realise the AC scheme had changed that much rattlehead, as I mentioned to Glenn I will challenge my inspector over it and see what he says fella.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

who are you callin dummy?; dummy!

Protective equipotential bonding (‘bonding' for short) is sometimes confused with earthing - maybe you are confused because of the visual similarities between earthing and bonding, such as the green-and-yellow colour identification of the protective conductors used for both.

lol....lol...

 

[Danspark]

do you fly? i ask because of your avatar (obviously)

sorry, forgot to hit the quote button, that was for glennspark

 

[GLENNSPARK]

do you fly? i ask because of your avatar (obviously)

lol.....lol...

 

[Danspark]

lol.....lol...

i was seriouse, ill take that as no

 

[GLENNSPARK]

i was seriouse, ill take that as no

in all fairnes to you dan.....not...as yet...
my avatar refers to my interest in early aviation, early aircraft, engines, construction methods and the technology around at the time...(1905-1919).....
so fire away......if you like....lol..

 

[Geoffsd]

Is it not? while it is on the drum it is My earth cable, who says its not going to be used to connect an exposed conductive part of an installation to the main earthing terminal of the installation? known as EARTHING (go check the definitions section of the green book (the one with "requirements for electrical installations written on the front") "Go to the van and get my bonding conductor" doesn't roll of my tongue very well! Note: after I described MY earthing cable i correctly used the term bonding incoming gas and water!

a 6mm earth cable bonding his incoming gas and water services have been removed and that a 10mm earth cable installed.

You did mention bonding had been removed but it didn't seem you realised the difference

What are you suggesting? go read regulation 544.1.1 and look at table 54.8!

I thought it may have been a quite happy TN-S system or an already over-engineered TT and replaced with 10mm. 'cos that's what we do now'.

 

[rattlehead85]

I don't think the AC scheme has changed MDJ mate i just think the way it is implemented and monitored has with the objective of making a quick and easy profit at contractors expense.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

I don't think the AC scheme has changed MDJ mate i just think the way it is implemented and monitored has with the objective of making a quick and easy profit at contractors expense.

well if this is the case....then i will of course stand corrected.........
still slavver though isn`t it....