Badger Culling

[jaypp]

Farmers have the highest rate of suicide

Within the farming community!

 

[HappyHippyDad]

I just went on line and looked and it said fourth so at least I told you what it said and I have no idea how to copy and paste at all sorry to say . I spent over an hour trying to get it up without success
But 4th is still high
And because I can't copy and paste I don't have a valid argument then

This will help:


Good luck.. keep at it

ps.. sorry Dingle!!

 

[HappyHippyDad]

Sorry, that may have been in poor taste on an emotive subject.

I feel quite averse to the idea of the badger cull, even more so after the failed practise run.. and as for fox hunting, I just cant get my head around hunting an animal with a great pack of dogs for fun... just doesn't make sense.

However.. my mother has cattle (only 6) and most of her farmer friends feel strongly in favour of the cull due to the absolute devastation TB causes. I dont know if the badgers spread TB, some say 'yes', some say 'no'!! Theres too many conflicting stories!

As for the suicide thing, I found this (farmers are 13th... electricians are 15th!!)

Highest Suicide Rate by Profession | New Health Guide

 

[davesparks]

But they are tb Carriers so something must be done about them

Humans can carry TB, shall we cull the human race too?

We should let nature take its course, it will win in the end whatever happens.

Mucking about with the Eco system is ridiculous, unnatural changes in population of one animal will affect the population of it preditors and it's prey. So next we'll have too many of something and something else dying out.

 

[guest119]

Sorry, that may have been in poor taste on an emotive subject.

I feel quite averse to the idea of the badger cull, even more so after the failed practise run.. and as for fox hunting, I just cant get my head around hunting an animal with a great pack of dogs for fun... just doesn't make sense.

However.. my mother has cattle (only 6) and most of her farmer friends feel strongly in favour of the cull due to the absolute devastation TB causes. I dont know if the badgers spread TB, some say 'yes', some say 'no'!! Theres too many conflicting stories!

As for the suicide thing, I found this (farmers are 13th... electricians are 15th!!)

Highest Suicide Rate by Profession | New Health Guide

Should be 17th????

Boydy

 

[Rockingit]

We should let nature take its course, it will win in the end whatever happens.

Mucking about with the Eco system is ridiculous, unnatural changes in population of one animal will affect the population of it preditors and it's prey. So next we'll have too many of something and something else dying out.

That's the point, though. Within the larger eco-system, humans are part of that chain, and nature designed us to be. We have very few predators, and none in any meaningful number (unless you want to get pedantic at a micro-biological level), we are MEANT to be a part of the control of other species - like badgers.

In it's easiest form: Humans = Waste = Rats = Disease = Less Humans = Less Waste = Less Rats = Less Disease = More Humans....... et al.

However, where the process goes wrong is that for reasons of greed or naivety we have found ways of interfering with that circle of life, and the gyroscopic behavior of Nature takes some time to adjust back again. Like a few thousand years.

 

[shanky887614]

what is giving the badgers tb in the first place, get rid of the source not part of the chain

 

[Guest77]

still no need to go around shooting badgers in my view, I appreciate Rocks post, yes it was well written and sensible to a degree. I don't like the fact foxes are hunted either, we have incredible wildlife here which has been around a long time, how do europeans manage?

 

[Rockingit]

how do europeans manage?

By actively managing the wild environment by selective culling and hunting.

Did you know, for example, that unless you cull on an annual basis something like 30-40% of a wild deer herd (I can't remember the exact numbers but they're that kind of scale) it is actually detrimental to the longevity of the whole herd as the older stags attack the younger ones thus eventually the herd dying out? And we have a (dangerous) abundance of wild deer in this country, despite an active community of stalkers that shoot them for their own good.

Beatrix Potter has a lot to answer for!!!

 

[trev]

As for the suicide thing, I found this (farmers are 13th... electricians are 15th!!)

Highest Suicide Rate by Profession | New Health Guide

No no no, farmers have the highest rates. Oh sorry, 4th highest rates but that's still pretty high.
Erm
Oh bolleaux

 

[Guest77]

By actively managing the wild environment by selective culling and hunting.

Did you know, for example, that unless you cull on an annual basis something like 30-40% of a wild deer herd (I can't remember the exact numbers but they're that kind of scale) it is actually detrimental to the longevity of the whole herd as the older stags attack the younger ones thus eventually the herd dying out? And we have a (dangerous) abundance of wild deer in this country, despite an active community of stalkers that shoot them for their own good.

Beatrix Potter has a lot to answer for!!!

yes yes but whats that got to do with slaughtering badgers?

 

[Rockingit]

Its all part of the same principle...culling (or, more viscerally, hunting prey) is an essential part of the zoological chain whether you are a deer, a badger or a butterfly. Given that Badgers have no natural predators other than us, and we (wrongfully) decided to 'protect' them as well, if left unchecked in xyz years we will have no countryside left. The Badgers will have killed every last other edible animal, so the birds/bees/etc will also be dead so the flowers won't pollinate....And so on and so on. So, in light of that, I say controlled culling is a very positive thing indeed.

And I haven't even referenced TB or cows in that.

 

[Guest77]

I don't agree at all with that, if that is true why are there birds and bees now? badgers have been protected for a loooooooooooong time and they have not eaten everything have they? I see wild life everywhere when I go for a walk, it is only the last 2 years a cull has been authorized and wrongly IMO, appreciate your views, I just cannot agree with wiping them out, just doesn't make sense to me at all.

 

[Rockingit]

I don't agree at all with that, if that is true why are there birds and bees now? badgers have been protected for a loooooooooooong time and they have not eaten everything have they? I see wild life everywhere when I go for a walk, it is only the last 2 years a cull has been authorized and wrongly IMO, appreciate your views, I just cannot agree with wiping them out, just doesn't make sense to me at all.

You have to remember that nature takes time....20 odd years of protection or whatever it is have only allowed numbers to 'swell', it's a century from now that's the problem.

 

[ian.settle1]

Maybe slightly of topic but man has a lot to answer for buggering up the cycle of nature.

Watched a program last night presented by David Attenborough where in Peru they collected guano for years on this island.

It said that whilst the birds covered the island with guano they also release at least 5 times more into the sea.

This fertlized seaplants which was eaten by anchovies, these anchovies where eaten by the birds that supplied the guano also anchovies where eaten by tuna and other fish eaten by man.

Man came along and in 1 year decimated the anchovy population by over fishing thls decimated the bird population which supplied the guano on the island and in the sea which in turn decimated the plant life in the sea.

No guano = no seaplants = no anchovies = no birds = no guano