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Please help, just had a domestic EICR undertaken, a C2 issue: Consumer Unit does not meet minimum I.P rating, what does this mean and how do I check this out? how expensive to rectify? thanks!
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having zoomed in a bit, I think that maybe a Henley block on top of the cut out extending either L or N. I'm guessing the other tail is there but hidden in the photo? Maybe behind whatever that shield is under the meter that I can't read...Can someone put me out of my misery..... I've seen no outgoing N tail from a meter before, but never no incoming N tail.
Where is the supplier side N incoming meter tail? And what is that short loop out and back to the cut-out doing?
Sorry if I'm being thick!
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I do, see attached !It sounds like the two moved sockets would be a good candidate to start investigating then!
It might be a fairly simple fix (It's possibly just a simple case of connecting wires up differently behind the two sockets.) it's just that often the time set aside for testing doesn't allow things like this to be confirmed or corrected.
Although as @westward10 points out, it should either have been coded as a confirmed "figure of eight", or FI with a description of what the issue is that needs to be checked (presumably poor or inconsistent continuity tests).
From the horses mouth: -
"If the report shows that remedial work or further investigation is required, as set out above, landlords must complete this work within 28 days or any shorter period if specified as necessary in the report. Landlords must then provide written confirmation that the work has been carried out to their tenant and to the local authority within 28 days."
Which is yet another example of the poorly written legislation - as technically it doesn't say that the person that carries out the remedial work must be competent.
However, ALL electrical work should be carried out by someone competent, as required by other general legislation - You also need to be able to prove in future that the work has been carried out competently, so a certificate or invoice rather than a hand written note from a handyman is advisable in anything electrical.
With an FI, it can be tricky to decide what remedial work is required though without further testing. It's likely that just replacing the MCB with a 20A without that further testing isn't guaranteed to resolve the issue.
Do you have the test results page, as that might throw a little extra light on the issue.
The Henley block makes sense. Thanks, it just caught my eye and looked wrong.having zoomed in a bit, I think that maybe a Henley block on top of the cut out extending either L or N. I'm guessing the other tail is there but hidden in the photo? Maybe behind whatever that shield is under the meter that I can't read...
Either that or the EICR missed rather an obvious problem!
Can someone put me out of my misery..... I've seen no outgoing N tail from a meter before, but never no incoming N tail.
Where is the supplier side N incoming meter tail? And what is that short loop out and back to the cut-out doing?
Sorry if I'm being thick!
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Thanks.I do, see attached !
To get a satisfactory EICR, then I'd guess the worst case might be a new length of cable between two sockets.anyone know what the worst case scenario fix would be? rewire?
thank you so much, really appreciate the replyTo get a satisfactory EICR, then I'd guess the worst case might be a new length of cable between two sockets.
It's more likely to be a case of either rejig cables behind an existing socket, or possibly blanking off one and disconnecting part of the circuit.
Unless the cable is very old (older than 1970s) or physically damaged, then a full rewire shouldn't be needed and nothing on the bits of the report we've seen would suggest that there are inherent issues.
There would certainly be benefits in splitting the socket circuits into more than one circuit (say one for kitchen, one for rest of house), but that's a different issue to getting a satisfactory EICR.
That most likely explains it, and I bet it was the builder and not an electrician that did the sockets.Downstairs recently there was a 'false wall' put in which sits 2 inches in front on the old wall, two sockets had to be moved, now one doesn't work.
As above, if it is basically the whole house then your best+cheapest plan is to have the RFC restored to good operation.I think the sockets do cover the kitchen, but not entirely sure. I'll try and get a picture of the CU tomorrow.
Simple logic would dictate that someone who is incompetent should not be doing electrical work!So by law I guess I do have to have a competent person undertake the FI too
@Dartlec has covered most of the points.anyone know what the worst case scenario fix would be? rewire?
that's really useful, thank you!Overall it sounds like it will not be too expensive to fix. You can start by getting an estimate from the original electrician for the remedial work and if unsure then get another quote or two.
Also you can post it here for comments but with any personal information redacted (like the name/address for yourself, the electricians, or the rented property).
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