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It's an interesting discussion and your points are well reasoned. Much of the historical comment on the thread was rather polarised. It was from a time when there were two distinct and cliquey schools of thought on this forum about many topics which tended to override logical, fact-based discussion.
Thanks for your kind attitude - and the explanation! Actually, everyone who has replied to me has been very helpful and it is appreciated. I may not be an electrician (and I prefer to leave that side to others who have the right knowledge and tools... when I can), but it's really good to have a bit more understanding in the hope that any small bits I may end up taking on myself will be OTT (from lack of knowledge of what I could get away with) rather than bodged, even though they may not look as tidy as I'd like.

Not as flat T+E, but fire performance cable ranges usually include a 4C+E option as does NYY-J. And indeed many European styles of cable.
Just Googled NYJ-J. It looks to be a solid cored round cable. Presumably that can be installed in much the same way as 6242 and simply stripped and terminated inside an enclosure? Looks to be a good option, if so. Thank you.

Not many people seem to have taken this into account until it was highlighted in the regs, although the phenomenon has always been there. TBH if the 2x 2C+E are adjacent, there's not much in it and I wouldn't worry about it. And in some cases each cable is a complete circuit (e.g. your motorised valve motor cable / switch cable example.)
I've always wondered about that. I suspected that it might be the case if the cables were adjacent, but I'm happier hearing it from you. I knew an adjacent live and neutral through an appliance (motor, or lamp etc etc) essentially cancelled out, but, out of interest, is that the same for a switch cable i.e. where you have a live to a switch, and a switched live returning from the switch?
 
Yes, any two equal currents (equal in both magnitude and phase) flowing in opposite directions will cancel. Or indeed any net zero sum of currents in any combination of conductors. I.e. if all the conductors serving any device or combination of devices run together, there will be no net longitudinal current (as per Kirchhoff's first law.) The EMF radiation (and in the case of a signal cable, susceptibility) will cancel better if the two cores occupy the same line through space. This can be achieved by making them coaxial, or by twisting them together so that they orbit around a common centre line. Both methods will be familiar in applications such as aerial and data cables, but the same technique can be used in very critical technical environments to minimise the fields radiated by power cables.

With normal power circuits, it starts to become of interest when there are large areas enclosed within current loops due to wide spacing between the two conductors forming a circuit, and/or the current contains higher harmonics that radiate easily. In a domestic setting, this normally occurs with 'traditional' 2-way switching, and with single-core sheathed wiring where the line loops via the switches but the neutral via the lights.

When I was about 14, I installed some lighting wiring using surplus 2-core MICC. With multiple switched circuits and fixtures but only two cores per cable, I did some creative reassignment of the conductors as they passed through fittings, to minimise the total number of cable runs. Some carried net zero longitudinal current but others had slightly different currents in the two conductors due to serving different numbers of points. Some of the lights were fluorescents with wirewound ballasts, which create a peaky waveform. I soon found that switching these on obliterated all AM radio reception within 20 feet of the wiring. The fluos radiate by themselves, but the loop aerials formed by my 'optimised' wiring runs made them worse.
 
My understanding was that if flexible cable is used it should be visible throughout its length,

Wow, that's a very old regulation! It was indeed a requirement once upon a time, possibly not since the 13th edition, that installed flexible cables be short and visible throughout there length.
As I understand it this requirement was due to the less than ideal insulation available for cable manufacture at the time and it being somewhat more prone to failure.
This regulation is long gone, along with the one limiting the length of installed flexible cable.
 

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