Confused....bathroom socket

[tom262]

Hello, yesterday I Carried out a EICR, two DBs all installed in 2007, so pretty simple until I got to the last circuit. And It was a 16amp type B marked up as bathroom socket, thinking it was most likely the shaver points, after half hour I found a weatherproof socket under the bathroom sink, attempted to take a Zs from it and found there was no earth, after another half hour of ****ing around I found a 230v to 230v transformer?! Which fed the socket,

if someone could tell me how to upload photos, I will show you.

is this ok?! Apparently it was installed by a previous owner, I've disconnected it as they don't use it anyway but seems abit strange.

 

[dingledong]

It's fine because he has disconnected it

 

[tom262]

Forget disconnection times, you need to answer Rockingit's post #9 about why you have come to the conclusion that it is fine with regards to the regs.

17th Edition Part 701

check the slides explains it all.

 

[HandySparks]

How far is this socket from the bath or shower?

 

[Andy78]

17th Edition Part 701

check the slides explains it all.

That slideshow far from explains all of section 701. Is this your usual technical reference material ?

 

[Guest55]

How far is this socket from the bath or shower?

at last !

strewth lol.

 

[tom262]

That slideshow far from explains all of section 701. Is this your usual technical reference material ?

No it's not normally, but it's a lot more helpful than some people on here!!
its in zone 3.

 

[Deleted member 9648]

No it's not normally, but it's a lot more helpful than some people on here!!
its in zone 3.

Either it's a typo....you are on a wind up....or you dont have a clue.

I am going to point you in the right direction....have a look at 701.512.3. See the note at the bottom referring to section 414.

 

[D Skelton]

Because it 'electrical separation' there's no earth return path, but how would you know weather this satisfies the disconnection times, I know it dose on the supply side of the transformer but what about the secondary side..?? I've taken all my readings, zs, rcd ect from the supply side but as there's no earth by tester 'fluke' won't take it from the secondary side.

Ok, as Andy78 has rightly said, forget disconnection times for now. However, this question reveals a fundamental lack of understanding of what actually constitutes a protective measure, yet you're carrying out PIRs? Take note of the two phrases I have highlighted in bold for you and have a think as to why they should not be in the same sentence.

No it's not normally, but it's a lot more helpful than some people on here!!
its in zone 3.

Where's zone 3?

 

[ipf]

Ok, as Andy78 has rightly said, forget disconnection times for now. However, this question reveals a fundamental lack of understanding of what actually constitutes a protective measure, yet you're carrying out PIRs? Take note of the two phrases I have highlighted in bold for you and have a think as to why they should not be in the same sentence.




Where's zone 3?

Parazone.......the bottle of bleach under the sink.......?

 

[shanky887614]

Ok, as Andy78 has rightly said, forget disconnection times for now. However, this question reveals a fundamental lack of understanding of what actually constitutes a protective measure, yet you're carrying out PIRs? Take note of the two phrases I have highlighted in bold for you and have a think as to why they should not be in the same sentence.




Where's zone 3?

seems he is being naughty and testing installs to old regs.

apart from no earth there is no problem with an outdoor socket but there is a problem with the type of appliances and things e.g. hair driyers etc that will get used in there.


in my opinion i would note it should be removed, (you cant just disconnect things without the clients permission)

 

[davesparks]

seems he is being naughty and testing installs to old regs.

apart from no earth there is no problem with an outdoor socket but there is a problem with the type of appliances and things e.g. hair driyers etc that will get used in there.


in my opinion i would note it should be removed, (you cant just disconnect things without the clients permission)

Apart from no earth??? Read the OP again, it's supplied by an isolating transformer and so is using electrical separation as it's method of protection.

What danger do you forsee in using such appliances?

 

[Engineer54]

It always amazes me that Brits immediately go into cardiac arrest at the thought of a socket outlet in a bathroom!! Most of Europe have there washing machines and tumble dyer in their bathrooms!! lol!!

 

[shanky887614]

Apart from no earth??? Read the OP again, it's supplied by an isolating transformer and so is using electrical separation as it's method of protection.

What danger do you forsee in using such appliances?

the regs allow shaver sockets etc at 110v and 240v not appliances.

it would be a depature from the regs and would need a risk assement carrying out or could land you in hot water in the future if anyone gets a shock

 

[Engineer54]

the regs allow shaver sockets etc at 110v not 230v appliances.

it would be a depature from the regs and would need a risk assement carrying out or could land you in hot water in the future if anyone gets a shock

All the isolated shaver socket outlets i've ever seen have been dual voltage!!!!

 

[shanky887614]

All the isolated shaver socket outlets i've ever seen have been dual voltage!!!!

im sure it states sockets need to be 3m away if i remember right.

now fixed alliances are allowed just not normal sockets within a certain distance