Connecting 6.0mm T&E

[besenzig]

Running a 20A 6.0mm T&E radial to utility room to supply two single 13A sockets to feed Washing Machine and Tumble Dryer.

The T&E will be terminated in a PVC adaptable box, just wondering how to make the connection to the sockets as terminals
will not take 6.0mm.

Can I use connector strip using 4.0mm or 2.5mm to feed the sockets, was hoping to use Wago but they too will not take 6.0mm.
Is there connector out there that will do the job.

Thanks

 

[Pete999]

Bolt Horse Pete, see post 29, Merry Christmas by the way fella :carolers:

Thanks mate that will teach me to read all the threads happy Christmas to you and yours
Pete

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

Terminate it into a 32A commando socket and then plug a 2.5 out of the other end!

 

[Engineer54]

That maybe bonkers but toatly possible MK sockets will accept 2x 6mm no problems. I also used single sockets so each machine has it's own socket so 2 plug tops are not connected to one Double socket

Only a bloody fool would ever contemplate running in a multi outlet 6mm radial.

MK also say terminals are good for 3 X 4mm, but i know from experience that even if you manage to tighten up the tiny terminal screws without striping the thread or rounding the head, getting those size of cables back into the back box without stressing and/or pulling on the cable terminations is gonna be a real problem. 2 X 6mm into those terminals, and with 35mm back boxes ....totally bonkers!!

As long as you terminate the cable correctly and dress the cables back there's no problem

Just the point i'm making, You Can't even be sure the terminal screw is still compressing the two cables in the cable terminations, after all the jigging around, getting the faceplate back to the wall!!

No pruning at all they flew in

Yeah right, i can also see those little flying pink pig's too!! lol!!

 

[Engineer54]

Thanks Murdoch, this is the obvious and best solution and still keeping a supply for the shed if needed later. The post got off to a bad start but the end result was worth the sla££ing off I got.

Another solution for utilising this existing 6mm T&E cable is to turn it into a ''Lollipop Ring'' that can cover all the utility room appliances and more!! lol!!

Edit.... Either using 4mm or 2.5mm on the ring side of the lollipop ring, and provided with a 32A OCPD at the CU!!

 

[Deleted member 9648]

Only a bloody fool would ever contemplate running in a multi outlet 6mm radial.

MK also say terminals are good for 3 X 4mm, but i know from experience that even if you manage to tighten up the tiny terminal screws without striping the thread or rounding the head, getting those size of cables back into the back box without stressing and/or pulling on the cable terminations is gonna be a real problem. 2 X 6mm into those terminals, and with 35mm back boxes ....totally bonkers!!



Just the point i'm making, You Can't even be sure the terminal screw is still compressing the two cables in the cable terminations, after all the jigging around, getting the faceplate back to the wall!!




Yeah right, i can also see those little flying pink pig's too!! lol!!

You are wrong....of course a 6.0mm radial to sockets as a design would be poor practice but like the OP I have been faced with existing wiring, and can confirm that 2x 6.0mm conductors properly prepared and in a deep back box will terminate perfectly well in MK sockets. 6.0mm stranded wires are flexible enough to dress in a deep back box with no more fettling than 2.5mm solid core conductors,which are even less flexible.Problems arise when the wires are cut too short,which makes termination very difficult,and results in the wires being too stiff to dress round in the box.Cut to about 4" outside the box they will dress round without any stress on the terminations whatsoever.
If you are back in the UK anytime PM me and I'll show you how to do it for the price of a pint.....:wink5:

 

[Engineer54]

You are wrong....of course a 6.0mm radial to sockets as a design would be poor practice but like the OP I have been faced with existing wiring, and can confirm that 2x 6.0mm conductors properly prepared and in a deep back box will terminate perfectly well in MK sockets. 6.0mm stranded wires are flexible enough to dress in a deep back box with no more fettling than 2.5mm solid core conductors,which are even less flexible.Problems arise when the wires are cut too short,which makes termination very difficult,and results in the wires being too stiff to dress round in the box.Cut to about 4" outside the box they will dress round without any stress on the terminations whatsoever.
If you are back in the UK anytime PM me and I'll show you how to do it for the price of a pint.....:wink5:

NO i'm NOT wrong!!!

Not sure how having one existing 6mm cable suddenly turns into having to terminate two 6mm cables into a single termination??

It's exactly the same filling up the terminations with 3 X 4mm, the situation will be the same as i've stated above... poor grip and too little compression afforded by the tiny termination screws resulting in the likelihood of bad terminations when dressing, or trying to dress 2 X 6mm back into a back box...

That's just rubbish, comparing a 6mm stranded with a 2.5mm solid stating that they are as flexible dressing back into a back box!! lol!! One 6mm cable fine, two 6mm cables in the same terminal is always going to be a problem end of....

I think i'll save my money thanks!! lol!!

 

[Pete999]

NO i'm NOT wrong!!!

Not sure how having one existing 6mm cable suddenly turns into having to terminate two 6mm cables into a single termination??

It's exactly the same filling up the terminations with 3 X 4mm, the situation will be the same as i've stated above... poor grip and too little compression afforded by the tiny termination screws resulting in the likelihood of bad terminations when dressing, or trying to dress 2 X 6mm back into a back box...

That's just rubbish, comparing a 6mm stranded with a 2.5mm solid stating that they are as flexible dressing back into a back box!! lol!! One 6mm cable fine, two 6mm cables in the same terminal is always going to be a problem end of....

I think i'll save my money thanks!! lol!!

I posted one thread on this issue and have been wa

 

[Pete999]

I posted one thread on this issue and have been wa

Sorry about that blasted door bell hit the wrong button, what I meant to say was been watching with interest after my first post, Engineer 34 is right, blimey 2 x 6mm in a 13amp socket, mmmmmmmm don't think so

 

[7029 dave]

NO i'm NOT wrong!!!

Not sure how having one existing 6mm cable suddenly turns into having to terminate two 6mm cables into a single termination??

It's exactly the same filling up the terminations with 3 X 4mm, the situation will be the same as i've stated above... poor grip and too little compression afforded by the tiny termination screws resulting in the likelihood of bad terminations when dressing, or trying to dress 2 X 6mm back into a back box...

That's just rubbish, comparing a 6mm stranded with a 2.5mm solid stating that they are as flexible dressing back into a back box!! lol!! One 6mm cable fine, two 6mm cables in the same terminal is always going to be a problem end of....

I think i'll save my money thanks!! lol!!

I would not even contemplate, two 6mm in terminals, wrestling them in ha ha.

 

[Engineer54]

Sorry about that blasted door bell hit the wrong button, what I meant to say was been watching with interest after my first post, Engineer 34 is right, blimey 2 x 6mm in a 13amp socket, mmmmmmmm don't think so

I would not even contemplate, two 6mm in terminals, wrestling them in ha ha.

When all said and done, it's always going to be possible to achieve, but the time and effort needed to get it done right, and knowing that it's not the best practice anyway, then really, .....why even bother??

 

[R G]

I have also used 6mm T&E with 32 A MCB myself to feed a twin socket though in a utility room , mind you there were 2 washing machines in use at the same socket , and all new machines are cold fill only now , 6KW load
Its not a bad idea in your case to use the 6MM T&E , I would install a WISKA 40AMP J/B , this can take 4 x 6 mm , (if you look them up), and simply take a single 6MM T&E to each socket , just make sure the J/B is in an accessible location

 

[Engineer54]

I have also used 6mm T&E with 32 A MCB myself to feed a twin socket though in a utility room , mind you there were 2 washing machines in use at the same socket , and all new machines are cold fill only now , 6KW load
Its not a bad idea in your case to use the 6MM T&E , I would install a WISKA 40AMP J/B , this can take 4 x 6 mm , (if you look them up), and simply take a single 6MM T&E to each socket , just make sure the J/B is in an accessible location

Are you actually being serious here, you run a 6mm cable to supply a double socket to supply two 3kw washing machines that are known to be in use at the same time!! And then, ....you go on to try and justify 6mm cables to feed everything else in the utility room!!!!!

Are you by any chance a electrical trainee DI??

 

[R G]

Are you actually being serious here, you run a 6mm cable to supply a double socket to supply two 3kw washing machines that are known to be in use at the same time!! And then, ....you go on to try and justify 6mm cables to feed everything else in the utility room!!!!!

Are you by any chance a electrical trainee DI??

Read It Properly , The Guy wants to supply 2 single sockets for a washing machine and tumble dryer , and I used 6mm T&E to supply a twin socket for 2 washing machines in the same socket , whats wrong with a 6mm2 T&E radial on its own circuit for this purpose , backed up with a 32 A breaker!! No different than using 4 mm T&E as a radial
NO I am not a Electrical Trainee, so grow up !!!!

 

[Engineer54]

Read It Properly , The Guy wants to supply 2 single sockets for a washing machine and tumble dryer , and I used 6mm T&E to supply a twin socket for 2 washing machines in the same socket , whats wrong with a 6mm2 T&E radial on its own circuit for this purpose , backed up with a 32 A breaker!! No different than using 4 mm T&E as a radial
NO I am not a Electrical Trainee, so grow up !!!!

I have read it properly, the guy's talking about a 6mm 20A radial that he want's to reduce cable sizes to supply the sockets!! Nothing about extending radially in 6mm cable!!

Please tell me Why would you need to run a 6 mm T&E to supply 2 X 3KW washing machines, and Why would you supply those 2 washing machines from a double outlet??


Whats wrong with a 6mm radial, well for a start perhaps you should read some of the other posts on the subject first. But apart from anything else, ....it's Bonkers!!

I grew up a very long time ago, and the question still stands??

 

[LED Lighting]

As you already have 6mm installed use that (as you said) then use 2.5mm for the additional sockets
20A MCB is fine for protection

One advantage is you will have a very good Zs reading