Earth and bonding cable checks-any tools available?

[Silly Sausage]

I could easily quote from a GN etc, but those publications are intended for a competent person.

EH?!?!
If your geezers are doing what you say, surely by definition, they're competent!?!?!?!

 

[Jonspark]

oh no!!!! not the ADIABATIC CALCULATION.

 

[Plonker 3]

I could easily quote from a GN etc, but those publications are intended for a competent person.
Perhaps I should teach them all the adiabatic calculation?

But thats what they need to learn and understand, theres more to electrics than just this cable will do attitude.

 

[Sintra]

I have a team of cooker installers who need to confirm earth & bonding sizes, I have the skills to do so, but I am in an office, I cannot expect a cooker installer to know how to, hence the question.

This section of your earlier post is really confusing me. Firstly you say these cooker installers need to confirm earthing and bonding sizes. Then you go on to state that you would not expect a cooker installer to know how to.

So so if you don't expect them to know how to verify earthing and bonding then why are you expecting them to do so?

 

[Jonspark]

Is it related to the spanish inquisition?

 

[Andy78]

I could easily quote from a GN etc, but those publications are intended for a competent person.
Perhaps I should teach them all the adiabatic calculation?

Perhaps you should yes. If they are not competent to do their job, then why are they carrying out testing of circuits and installation of appliances ?

 

[Plonker 3]

What about BS7671 should they not be expected to understand that neither?

 

[Tof99]

City and Guilds 2359 Level 2 qualification in Installing Consumer Electrical Equipment, full CCN1 and CKR1 Gas safe quals and internal training covering off electrical testing.

The guys are competent in their field, but are not electricians.

 

[telectrix]

that beats my "width underwater" swimming certificate.

 

[Plonker 3]

What do they learn on this course?

Who has decided they need to ensure bonding is the correct size and in place?

 

[Plonker 3]

that beats my "width underwater" swimming certificate.

I thought you would have had the one where you do that in your pyjamas.

 

[Tof99]

What do they learn on this course?

Who has decided they need to ensure bonding is the correct size and in place?

Diilb, their training is very comprehensive, but limited too.
We were challanged by NICEIC on not checking reg 132.16, my argument was we are not altering the installation, just connecting to it (after checking load etc) But NICEIC want us to just confirm presence of earthing conductors and main earthing conductors and confirm sizing is correct.

 

[Silly Sausage]

City and Guilds 2359 Level 2 qualification in Installing Consumer Electrical Equipment, full CCN1 and CKR1 Gas safe quals and internal training covering off electrical testing.

2359 is Servicing Equipment. No Electrical Installation training/quals then?
http://cdn.cityandguilds.com/Produc...ments/2359_L2_3_Qualification_handbook_v1.pdf

The guys are competent in their field, but are not electricians.

What, plugging things in :smilielol5:

 

[Andy78]

Diilb, their training is very comprehensive, but limited too.
We were challanged by NICEIC on not checking reg 132.16, my argument was we are not altering the installation, just connecting to it (after checking load etc) But NICEIC want us to just confirm presence of earthing conductors and main earthing conductors and confirm sizing is correct.

Then you have three choices:

• Train your staff properly to do their job in line with the requests
• Perform on site pre-job assessments yourself or by similarly trained individual in line with requests
• Tell the NICEIC that your work does not fall within the remit of their requests and to go forth and pester someone else.

 

[Tof99]

2359 is Servicing Equipment. No Electrical Installation training/quals then?
http://cdn.cityandguilds.com/Produc...ments/2359_L2_3_Qualification_handbook_v1.pdf





What, plugging things in :smilielol5:

Archy: The electrical training is done outside of that C&G exam, partly withing the Gas safe and then a 3 day internal course (approved by awarding bodies)