EICR test failed due to no RCD on smoke detector, lighting, door bell, security alarm

[Tom256]

I have emailed NAPIT in relation to this and given my opinion on their response 'investigate it yourself and let us know how you get on' on what is a cheap EICR buy in to generate remedial work.
Disgusting.

 

[Pretty Mouth]

With regard to the members Electrical Installation Condition Report (EICR) and what has been reported on it, we’d be unable to comment. As you can appreciate we do not have any involvement with the inspection carried out on the day evidencing why the comments/readings made, were made. If you dispute the recordings on the certificate issued, you should report this to the members professional indemnity insurance. You can request these details for the company directly.

Just to clarify:

Competent persons schemes (CPS's) such as NAPIT, NICEIC etc. have different types of membership. The main reason contractors join a CPS is so that they can self-notify work that requires building control approval. However, there is also an option to pay some extra money to the CPS to become 'approved' to carry out EICRs. The latter is not legally required for a contractor to carry out EICRs (it's just kudos if you like), so most don't bother with it.

It's possible that the contractor that did the very poor EICR on your flat is a NAPIT member for notifiable work only, and may not be approved for EICRs. This might explain why NAPIT won't get involved.

 

[littlespark]

Just to clarify:

Competent persons schemes (CPS's) such as NAPIT, NICEIC etc. have different types of membership. The main reason contractors join a CPS is so that they can self-notify work that requires building control approval. However, there is also an option to pay some extra money to the CPS to become 'approved' to carry out EICRs. The latter is not legally required for a contractor to carry out EICRs (it's just kudos if you like), so most don't bother with it.

It's possible that the contractor that did the very poor EICR on your flat is a NAPIT member for notifiable work only, and may not be approved for EICRs. This might explain why NAPIT won't get involved.

That is very possible.

I was always told you needed to be “qualified, knowledgable AND experienced” to perform an EICR…. In other words, someone that has been in the trade as regulations change and evolve.

Knowing what has been compliant in the past, but maybe not now is the difference between a C2 and a C3….. or indeed no code at all.

 

[missp82]

Competent persons schemes (CPS's) such as NAPIT, NICEIC etc. have different types of membership. The main reason contractors join a CPS is so that they can self-notify work that requires building control approval. However, there is also an option to pay some extra money to the CPS to become 'approved' to carry out EICRs. The latter is not legally required for a contractor to carry out EICRs (it's just kudos if you like), so most don't bother with it.

It's possible that the contractor that did the very poor EICR on your flat is a NAPIT member for notifiable work only, and may not be approved for EICRs. This might explain why NAPIT won't get involved.

Would this be obvious from the members details on the NAPIT website?

 

[Tom256]

Would this be obvious from the members details on the NAPIT website?

Yes it should tell you under the listing what they are registered for with NAPIT

 

[missp82]

I have emailed NAPIT in relation to this and given my opinion on their response 'investigate it yourself and let us know how you get on' on what is a cheap EICR buy in to generate remedial work.
Disgusting.

Let me know if they respond. I have emailed Electrical Safety First as well but I don't think I will receive anything useful.

 

[missp82]

Yes it should tell you under the listing what they are registered for with NAPIT

This is what I see under the company name

 

[Teddy Lop]

Cheap EICR to get the foot in the door then make the money on finding 'remedials'. That such is going on within the industry is no secret.

T'was ever thus. I've even had a client (a building services provider to a particular area of social housing) try to tell me I charge too much for EICRs and that I should be charging them x and making it back on remedials.

That is an absolute joke but I'm afraid to say it is the cancer slowly eating away at the electrical industry.

Glad someone said it, I wonder some days if someone's going to tap me on the shoulder sooner or later and tell me I'm the only one trying to follow rules and to stop being such a mug.

I mean I spoke to my schemes advice line the other day, only because I wanted their take on how I should words things towards a client regarding an utter piece of toiler paper of a EICR that was preventing me using it the way they anticipated and explaining why could lead to words being exchanged, only to be given a load of piffle about an inspectors view on the day.

Then this week I'm looking at an EICR for a install I need to carry out some work on that seems legit and damn near perfect; ring circuit r2's seem a tad close to r1's but there could be a reason for that. If only any of it's values had had a passing relationship to the install I faced when I got there, which needs extensive work. The joke being the falsified EICR was appointed by a managing agent, but the landlord has a decent attitude and will spend the necessary $ when asked, (and a proper EICR back then might have saved her a ton of cash.)

No idea how complicit the agent may have been, but that brings us to another problem, which is the complete inability to understand the document by a large section of an industry tasked with instructing and overseeing them. I actually went looking to see if there was anything in the way of guidance for understanding EICR's, but can't find anything beyond babyspeak about classification codes