Eicr

[dlt27]

Hi all, I have done a few EICR's before however could do with a bit of advice on what codes you more experienced guys would give these observations;
1 Old 3036 DB made up of wooden base/back. (C3?)
2 Underszed main bond. (C3?)
3 Cooker switch mounted 18" above cooker (C3?)
4 Mutiple cct's in MCB (C3?)
Thanks for any input.

 

[ipf]

WTF! Crap threads crap sparks crap whatever that's a terrible statement

It's a bleedin' malaise, man!!!!

 

[D Skelton]

WTF! Crap threads crap sparks crap whatever that's a terrible statement

Eh????

 

[Knobhead]

Never before have I seen such a well executed example of the blind leading the blind!

Thanks Damian,
The most accurate post so far.



The sooner there is a fraud case against a so called “competent electrician” for an inaccurate EICR the better.
For one thing a competent electrician would have to be defined. Anyone asking “how do I code this?” isn’t competent to carry out the job.
We all know some use inaccurate EICR’s to browbeat clients in to unnecessary work.



If I’ve upset anyone with the above comment you are by inference incompetent to undertake this sort of work. Therefore no apology will be forthcoming.

 

[Guest125]

It's only a chat gentlemen.

 

[Guest125]

got some regs to back those up fella????

314.4 - Where an installation comprises more than one final circuit, each final circuit shall be connected to a separate way in a distribution board. The wiring of each final circuit shall be electrically separate from that of every other final circuit, so as to prevent the indirect energising of a final circuit intended to be isolated.

Building regs state as follows: Cooker control switches, extractor fan switches, etc, should not be mounted so that it is necessary to lean or reach over gas or electric hobs for their operation.

Think about it - a pan fire starts and the switch is behind the pan that is on fire. Common sense I would have thought.

 

[Guest125]

And if three final circuits were in one MCB how would you record the R1+R2 and Zs reading?

 

[Plonker 3]

And if three final circuits were in one MCB how would you record the R1+R2 and Zs reading?

One circuit, one MCB, regardless how many cables are fitted into it.

As for test results you record the the highest value, like you would on a radial with several spurs on it.

 

[Des 56]

314.4 - Where an installation comprises more than one final circuit, each final circuit shall be connected to a separate way in a distribution board. The wiring of each final circuit shall be electrically separate from that of every other final circuit, so as to prevent the indirect energising of a final circuit intended to be isolated.

Building regs state as follows: Cooker control switches, extractor fan switches, etc, should not be mounted so that it is necessary to lean or reach over gas or electric hobs for their operation.

Think about it - a pan fire starts and the switch is behind the pan that is on fire. Common sense I would have thought.

You now need to go to definitions,understand what is defined as a circuit, there you will find your explanation and reasoning is inaccurate

 

[Guest125]

You now need to go to definitions,understand what is defined as a circuit, there you will find your explanation and reasoning is inaccurate

Final Circuit - A circuit connected directly to current -using equipment, or to a socket-outlet or socket-outlets or other outlet points for the connection of such equipment.

 

[Guest125]

One circuit, one MCB, regardless how many cables are fitted into it.

As for test results you record the the highest value, like you would on a radial with several spurs on it.

Sorry man. I may have misunderstood. I was talking about for example, 3 separate radial circuits connected to 1 MCB.

 

[Plonker 3]

Final Circuit - A circuit connected directly to current -using equipment, or to a socket-outlet or socket-outlets or other outlet points for the connection of such equipment.

Now look up the definition of circuit, which is mentioned in the description you have given.

 

[Plonker 3]

Sorry man. I may have misunderstood. I was talking about for example, 3 separate radial circuits connected to 1 MCB.

But that doesnt matter, you still only have one circuit.

 

[Guest125]

Final Circuit - A circuit connected directly to current -using equipment, or to a socket-outlet or socket-outlets or other outlet points for the connection of such equipment.

So I read it as:

A final circuit - A radial circuit supply 5 sockets on a 20A RCBO. If you had three of these final circuits supplied by a single MCB this would be in breach of 314.4.

I cannot see how it can be read any other way.

 

[Plonker 3]

One OCPD one circuit. It can not be anything else.

 

[Guest125]

Now look up the definition of circuit, which is mentioned in the description you have given.

It definitely says 'final circuit' 5 times in that reg.