Electrician not allowed to pat test.

[Matty o]

As a favour to my local village school i have been doing the pat testing.
The council phoned the head and said she needs to do a risk assessment for the frequency of testing fare enough.

I said i would help her do this but the council have come back saying that i cant and i cant do the testing as all through i am a fully qualified and indentured electrician with 20 years i am not qualified pat tester but would be happy for me to quote for doing a fixed wiring inspection .

 

[IQ Electrical]

I have nothing against anyone expanding one's knowledge in their chosen fields thus increasing there overall competency. What i do find unacceptable these days are the magnitude of meaningless courses, that come with certificates saying you passed a 1 day, 1 week, 2 week course in this or that, or that you just attended a course....

The C&G certs were once, real and meaningful educational achievements, which are now being belittled by these scam type short and ultra short courses. They should be totally ashamed of themselves, far from promoting excellence in a chosen profession, they are now undermining there institute, all in the name of chasing the so called ''Buck''

Nothing against these short course's, but they should not warrant a certificate of any kind, They should be seen for what they are, ...short courses to help those interested understand a particular sub-aspect of our industry, for the applicant's own needs.
Not for the likes of LABC, and Scam Providers and the like, to take them out of context and use them a proficiency level, to undertake certain types of work.

Seems that anyone can now dream up a Scam certificated course, and charge a hefty fee for the privilege. Then along comes some organisation(s), that is then under the assumption it actually means something and starts insisting on professional tradesmen holding such certificates.

In this instance, why would any electrician holding 2391 inspection testing qualifications for arguments sake, ''Need'' to take a PAT course?? .....or any ''Qualified'' electrician come to that!!!!!

I couldn't agree more, a 'certificate' for an 'exam' that nobody EVER fails.....

 

[Engineer54]

I couldn't agree more, a 'certificate' for an 'exam' that nobody EVER fails.....

You hit the nail squarely on the head there IQ, ....Can't fail meaningless scam certificates, that can also be an expensive exercise for some, when they are forced obtain them!!!

 

[madmac]

Now your talking boys, all these scam certs. and training providers are just watering down the electricians standing for a quick return, where being an electrician before would have been basic level to do PAT testing.
That's why we're all getting angry about these fast track courses and meaningless certs. because they are placing unnecessary barriers in the way of the qualified and COMPETENT electrician!

 

[hasel5]

Back in 1978 we used to pat test items with a wind up meggar a pair of eyes and common sense

 

[nickblake]

I recently entered screwfix brittains top trader , and one of the contestants did a part P course , basically the judge laid into him for not notifying his work he had no idea that he had to and thought the Part P course he did covered it , felt so sorry for the guy

 

[i=p/u]

so lets protest outside downing street, who's in?

 

[hasel5]

Sorry no hi vis as am sure that will be needed lol

 

[nickblake]

When i was down there there was so much rubbish littering the streets round westminster bridge you'll need toe capped shoes too so close to the houses of parliment it was a disgrace what the visitors must have thought well i know what i thought never to go again !!

 

[i=p/u]

there is new pat testing firm comming to northern ireland , they based in leeds .Has anyone ever worked for company called nesafety.

 

[i=p/u]

they wont be beaten on price apparently

 

[nelly9908]

city and guilds hahahahahahaha. CRANKS. burn in hell c&g you have destroyed the electrical trade. WELL DONE!

 

[JD6400]

I have nothing against anyone expanding one's knowledge in their chosen fields thus increasing there overall competency. What i do find unacceptable these days are the magnitude of meaningless courses, that come with certificates saying you passed a 1 day, 1 week, 2 week course in this or that, or that you just attended a course....

The C&G certs were once, real and meaningful educational achievements, which are now being belittled by these scam type short and ultra short courses. They should be totally ashamed of themselves, far from promoting excellence in a chosen profession, they are now undermining there institute, all in the name of chasing the so called ''Buck''

Nothing against these short course's, but they should not warrant a certificate of any kind, They should be seen for what they are, ...short courses to help those interested understand a particular sub-aspect of our industry, for the applicant's own needs.
Not for the likes of LABC, and Scam Providers and the like, to take them out of context and use them a proficiency level, to undertake certain types of work.

Seems that anyone can now dream up a Scam certificated course, and charge a hefty fee for the privilege. Then along comes some organisation(s), that is then under the assumption it actually means something and starts insisting on professional tradesmen holding such certificates.

In this instance, why would any electrician holding 2391 inspection testing qualifications for arguments sake, ''Need'' to take a PAT course?? .....or any ''Qualified'' electrician come to that!!!!!

Spot on Engineer 54 !

We took on a contract for a large local estate agent a few years back and me , my other director and a few of our lads took a one day course at about £ 1000 for the 2377-200 which is what they wanted .
Now this got my goat for a start because they only wanted a " landlords cert " on the fixed wiring which is worth squat if you ask me , well the one we did was !
Any way i got 100 % in the exam , all very good you say !
Not really , the very next morning on site i go to do some testing and realised i did not have a clue ! Had to phone one of the apprentices for help who had not gone on the course but had been shown the basics as part of his college course .
The other three that went with me felt the same !

 

[Adam W]

The way I see it getting PAT testing done is like getting a caravan towed:
You'd ask for someone who's got a towbar, assuming that if they had one it'd be attached to a vehicle.
If you had to have one or the other you'd stand more chance with just the vehicle, then at least you could improvise a way of connecting the two, although it wouldn't be as effective as if you had a towbar.

Before you accuse me of talking in riddles, I see the towbar as being like the 2377 (essentially what you need but not much good on it's own) and the vehicle as the rest of the electricians' courses (not specifically what you're after, but you won't get very far without it). Of course you'd need the vehicle to go, have fuel in it etc just the same as you'd need a PAT tester to have his own equipment, PL insurance etc.

 

[MarkieSparkie]

Realy its a jobs worth at the council saying it just like the one's saying you have to lock up washing up liquid just in case a tramp breaks in and drinks it (did happen once some where in the uk ) were cutting back in the uk so there where to start sack the idiot that'll save us £35k

Nick, they have more up-market tastes these days. They raid our local hospitals for the alcohol hand sterilizing gel.:smilewinkgrin: Hic, Hic!

 

[PC Electrics]

Wow so many replies so quickly have you not got any work.

I think it comes down to a person who has found themselves in a H&S role with no background in the subject.

He was happy for me to quote for testing the whole building but not the PAT side i recon he saw a advert for a pat testing course and as i dont have it i and not qualified in his eyes.

More likely they have a list of 'prefered' suppliers for each activity and you're not on it. And anyway, his 'mate' who is on it provides his Xmas hamper.