EU Brexit - How will you vote given the latest "news"

[sparksburnout]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

Then you should know, not to compare democratically elected & tenured politicians of this country (of whatever political persuasion) and Hitler.

Every five years in this country, if we don't like what our government are dong, we can vote them out. It took a world war to rid us of him.

Democracy, it's what this thread is all about.

I think you have misunderstood my point. I wasn't "comparing them" on that basis, Hitler was obviously an evil nutter, no different from some modern day (late thankfully) examples. I was suggesting that the other two also, IMO, managed to do irreparable damage to our country. In fact, just thinking about it, we did manage to recover very well from the war, and then our politicians began to sell off the country and generally get us in the mess we are now. and speaking of democracy, that's alive and kicking is it? Here we have the majority of Tory MP's probably wanting to leave the EU, and Cameron DICTATING to us all to leave. These remain commentators will be blaming any future bad weather on staying in soon the laughable way they are trying to sway us.

 

[andyb]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

Here we have the majority of Tory MP's probably wanting to leave the EU, and Cameron DICTATING to us all to leave. These remain commentators will be blaming any future bad weather on staying in soon the laughable way they are trying to sway us.

That doesn't make a lot of sense to me Sparks.

 

[telectrix]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

I think you have misunderstood my point. I wasn't "comparing them" on that basis, Hitler was obviously an evil nutter, no different from some modern day (late thankfully) examples. I was suggesting that the other two also, IMO, managed to do irreparable damage to our country. In fact, just thinking about it, we did manage to recover very well from the war, and then our politicians began to sell off the country and generally get us in the mess we are now. and speaking of democracy, that's alive and kicking is it? Here we have the majority of Tory MP's probably wanting to leave the EU, and Cameron DICTATING to us all to STAY IN. These remain commentators will be blaming any future bad weather on staying in soon the laughable way they are trying to sway us.

corrected that for you.you owe me a pint. :75:

 

[UNG]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

Countries fooked anyway. Being run by Angela and now weve got an Islamist lord Mayor of London. Might as well turn the lights off soon, mind you we get what we ask for..........

He isn't lord mayor he is just the Mayor of London, the Lord Mayor is the leader of the City of London Corporation and is completely different

 

[andyb]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

Countries messed up anyway. Being run by Angela and now weve got an Islamist lord Mayor of London. Might as well turn the lights off soon, mind you we get what we ask for..........

Countries not messed up,
Not run by Angele Merkel
Mayor not Lord Mayor
And he's not an Islamist.

Any other untruths you'd like to use to make your point.

 

[sparksburnout]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

Any other untruths you'd like to use to make your point.

Countries not messed up, Yes it is
Not run by Angele Merkel Almost, might as well be. Germans have got control in the end without firing a shot
Mayor not Lord Mayor You know what I meant
And he's not an Islamist. He's not a Muslim then? I think you will find he is, and as such will subscribe to the same theme, that they are the superior religion and every other religion (or those with no faith like me) are somehow inferior.

 

[Spoon]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

..... I think you will find he is, and as such will subscribe to the same theme, that they are the superior religion and every other religion (or those with no faith like me) are somehow inferior.

haha.... this jus makes you sound like a thicko.....

 

[sparksburnout]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

haha.... this jus makes you sound like a thicko.....

Why's that then spoony?

 

[Darkwood]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

Countries not messed up, Yes it is
Not run by Angele Merkel Almost, might as well be. Germans have got control in the end without firing a shot
Mayor not Lord Mayor You know what I meant
And he's not an Islamist. He's not a Muslim then? I think you will find he is, and as such will subscribe to the same theme, that they are the superior religion and every other religion (or those with no faith like me) are somehow inferior.

I have muslim friends who do not fit your stereotype here, if you are to argue what the Quran says then you can see almost identical scripture in the bible yet I don't see those with a far right attitude making similar accusations and painting all christians with the same brush, yes amongst the muslim faith there is a sector that read and interpret the Quran exactly as you have expressed but to tar everyone with the same brush with that statement is somewhat dangerous and why we have groups like EDL and Britain First (Britain First could be labled as Christian Fanatics by the same thinking) who have many times been seen to spout racist, xenophobic crap, yes there may be an underlying issue that needs addressing but resorting to hatred and stigmatisation on mass means you end up no better than the fanatics you are painting the whole muslim faith to be.
Most religions believe their own God to be the greatest hence they follow their particular faith, they will instinctively look at any other beliefs, God's etc as not the truth or mis-guided so put their own beliefs on somewhat of a pedestal, if you ever try convince a jehovah witness that God doesn't exist you will see what I mean as they debunk your thinking and believe you haven't yet found your way, so in respect to start saying someone of a muslim faith believes their God is either the only God or the Greatest is not unique to the muslim faith, it just appears more prominent because we have extremists and fanatics spreading hatred as oppose to respect for other beliefs.

 

[Spoon]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

Why's that then spoony?

Please ready post #339. Pretty much sums it up......

Ta darkwood.

 

[sparksburnout]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

I have muslim friends who do not fit your stereotype here, if you are to argue what the Quran says then you can see almost identical scripture in the bible yet I don't see those with a far right attitude making similar accusations and painting all christians with the same brush, yes amongst the muslim faith there is a sector that read and interpret the Quran exactly as you have expressed but to tar everyone with the same brush with that statement is somewhat dangerous and why we have groups like EDL and Britain First (Britain First could be labled as Christian Fanatics by the same thinking) who have many times been seen to spout racist, xenophobic crap, yes there may be an underlying issue that needs addressing but resorting to hatred and stigmatisation on mass means you end up no better than the fanatics you are painting the whole muslim faith to be.
Most religions believe their own God to be the greatest hence they follow their particular faith, they will instinctively look at any other beliefs, God's etc as not the truth or mis-guided so put their own beliefs on somewhat of a pedestal, if you ever try convince a jehovah witness that God doesn't exist you will see what I mean as they debunk your thinking and believe you haven't yet found your way, so in respect to start saying someone of a muslim faith believes their God is either the only God or the Greatest is not unique to the muslim faith, it just appears more prominent because we have extremists and fanatics spreading hatred as oppose to respect for other beliefs.

I agree to an extent with what you say DW, I was not implying that it is only the Muslim faith that has deep rooted prejudice inherent in its beliefs, as you say all other religions display similarities to a lesser degree. However you cannot get away from the fact that Muslims are taught from an early age that they are the superior religion and that no other, including non-belief, should be tolerated. Until the world is rid of all religious nonsense then there will never be peace, but that day will be a long time coming. Let us see how vocal our new Mayor is the next time some crazed lunatics blow up another load of innocent people, because in my opinion the Muslim leaders are woefully inadequate when it comes to public and continued condemnation of violence perpetrated in the name of Allah.

 

[sparksburnout]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

Please ready post #339. Pretty much sums it up......

Ta darkwood.

Can't you make up your own response, or are you a bit too thick?

 

[Spoon]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

Can't you make up your own response, or are you a bit too thick?

I love you too. Come here and give us a big hug. You know you want to...

 

[Spoon]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

Until the world is rid of all religious nonsense then there will never be peace, but that day will be a long time coming.

Couldn't agree with this more.

 

[Spoon]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

I agree to an extent with what you say DW, I was not implying that it is only the Muslim faith that has deep rooted prejudice inherent in its beliefs, as you say all other religions display similarities to a lesser degree. However you cannot get away from the fact that Muslims are taught from an early age that they are the superior religion and that no other, including non-belief, should be tolerated. Until the world is rid of all religious nonsense then there will never be peace, but that day will be a long time coming. Let us see how vocal our new Mayor is the next time some crazed lunatics blow up another load of innocent people, because in my opinion the Muslim leaders are woefully inadequate when it comes to public and continued condemnation of violence perpetrated in the name of Allah.

The people who blow up others are not Muslims. True Muslims believe in piece. As above, all religions think there's is superior. Just get one person of one faith trying to marry someone of another faith and see which faith will approve the wedding.