EU Brexit - How will you vote given the latest "news"

[Darkwood]

You're mixing two things up there DW.
The piece by Politico is about corruption within the EU not by the EU. It was commissioned by the EU. There is corruption everywhere, try looking at the US. There is corruption in this country, not only within the UK but the bribing that goes on around the world by British companies.

The accounts not being signed of are an old myth. The last fully audited accounts (2013) were passed correct for the seventh year in a row, accounting for every euro spent.

I know it 2 seperate issues, I tried making it clear I was talking 2 points but was showing the level of corruption from both sides of the coin, the EU itself cannot balance its books to the tune of 100billion and it basically is sitting back and doing little to stop the indepth level of curruption amongst it members. In leaving we are not throwing money at a system that cannot account for itself and also we raise a barrier and reduce the likelyhood of said corruption rife throughout the EU effecting us direct. You are right we have it in the UK too but it will be easier to control or stop if we get back all the powers that are currently held by brussels and stopping us from dealing with it.

 

[silverfox1]

[h=2]Oliver Cromwell - Dissolution of the Long Parliament 1653[/h] [h=3]Dissolution of the Long Parliament by Oliver Cromwell given to the House of Commons, 20 April 1653.[/h] Speech


It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonored by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice; ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government; ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money.


Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your God; which of you have not barter'd your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth?


Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defil'd this sacred place, and turn'd the Lord's temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress'd, are yourselves gone! So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors.

In the name of God, go!

Oliver Cromwell - April 20, 1653


Some things never change do they.

 

[Midwest]

Which side did you come down on MW?

(It's a big vote BTW)

Now that would be telling, and in the perquisite of the importance of encouraging people to vote, I ain't gonna tell ya, but I could be persuaded. :flowers:

 

[sparksburnout]

Now that would be telling, and in the perquisite of the importance of encouraging people to vote, I ain't gonna tell ya, but I could be persuaded. :flowers:

As a democratic comment, I think it is pretty obvious how MW has voted. I am on holiday on the 23rd, so I have already cancelled him out..........

 

[Midwest]

As a democratic comment, I think it is pretty obvious how MW has voted. I am on holiday on the 23rd, so I have already cancelled him out..........

Oh no I cancelled you out :yesnod:

 

[sparksburnout]

Oh no I cancelled you out :yesnod:

No, I cancelled YOU out!!

 

[Midwest]

No, I cancelled YOU out!!

That's of course we voted differently :juggle2:

 

[sparksburnout]

That's of course we voted differently :juggle2:

I know we did!!

 

[Octopus]

A clip of the late Right Honourable Tony Benn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0wFii8klNg

A politician I admired - he didn't change his spots to get new votes!

 

[Besoeker]

Did anyone else catch the Andrew Neil/Hilary Benn interview this evening?
The Andrew Neil Interviews: Hilary Benn dragged out Remain?s immigration agony | Coffee House

 

[stevethesparks]

Yes, I don't think Benn answered one of his questions directly.
I particularly liked the one about the statutory holidays.

 

[Besoeker]

Yes, I don't think Benn answered one of his questions directly.
I particularly liked the one about the statutory holidays.

I did too.
Just goes to show that we are being fed bulldung........
Richard Dawkins (article reported in the Independent) made what I think was an important point.

'Brexit is much too difficult and detailed to be left to voters who know no economics,'

Is the electorate, in general, sufficiently knowgelable to make the decision that has such far reaching consequences?

 

[Midwest]

I know we did!!

Typo error, left out IF! But a bit irrelevant now.

 

[andyb]

Oliver Cromwell - Dissolution of the Long Parliament 1653

Dissolution of the Long Parliament by Oliver Cromwell given to the House of Commons, 20 April 1653.

In the name of God, go!

Oliver Cromwell - April 20, 1653


Some things never change do they.

I think the dissolving of parliament is for another thread SF.

Mind you, I think you've nicely summed up the 17th century mind set of a lot of the Brexit camp.

 

[Midwest]

Oliver Cromwell - Dissolution of the Long Parliament 1653

Dissolution of the Long Parliament by Oliver Cromwell given to the House of Commons, 20 April 1653.

Speech


It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonored by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice; ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government; ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money.


Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your God; which of you have not barter'd your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth?


Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defil'd this sacred place, and turn'd the Lord's temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress'd, are yourselves gone! So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors.

In the name of God, go!

Oliver Cromwell - April 20, 1653


Some things never change do they.

Yep, then he went on to become Lord Protector, or dictator! The Royals were so grateful, when they got back into power, they dug up his body and chopped off his head. How times change.