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No, I cancelled YOU out!!
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That's of course we voted differently :juggle2:
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I know we did!!
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A clip of the late Right Honourable Tony Benn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0wFii8klNg
A politician I admired - he didn't change his spots to get new votes!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0wFii8klNg
A politician I admired - he didn't change his spots to get new votes!
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Did anyone else catch the Andrew Neil/Hilary Benn interview this evening?
The Andrew Neil Interviews: Hilary Benn dragged out Remain?s immigration agony | Coffee House
The Andrew Neil Interviews: Hilary Benn dragged out Remain?s immigration agony | Coffee House
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Yes, I don't think Benn answered one of his questions directly.
I particularly liked the one about the statutory holidays.
I particularly liked the one about the statutory holidays.
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I did too.
Just goes to show that we are being fed bulldung........
Richard Dawkins (article reported in the Independent) made what I think was an important point.
'Brexit is much too difficult and detailed to be left to voters who know no economics,'
Is the electorate, in general, sufficiently knowgelable to make the decision that has such far reaching consequences?
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Typo error, left out IF! But a bit irrelevant now.
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I think the dissolving of parliament is for another thread SF.
Mind you, I think you've nicely summed up the 17th century mind set of a lot of the Brexit camp.
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Yep, then he went on to become Lord Protector, or dictator! The Royals were so grateful, when they got back into power, they dug up his body and chopped off his head. How times change.
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This is floating around facebook and is clearly anti EU but raises some interesting points of the damage the EU does to the UK.
Let's stop second guessing on what might happen if we leave the Eu or stay . But let's have a look at what this amazing position in the EU you are talking about has already done for our economy ?? People need stop looking in the future for the answer but in the past. Here are a few things the EU did to our economy; you can decide if they were good or bad but I know where my vote is going! Please SHARE!
Jaguar Land Rover stops making its Defender in the UK because of EU laws on fuel emissions. It is now set to be built abroad outside the EU.
In 2007 the Peugeot factory in Ryton, Coventry closed down (2,300 job losses) and moved to Slovakia with the help of £78m EU funding.
Britain's remaining ferry service to Scandinavia (DFDS Harwich to Esbjerg) ended in 2014 after 140 years service because of an EU Directive.
'3000 police cars foreign made'. Police say they are powerless to offer contracts to British car factories because of EU procurement rules.
Before the UK entered the EEC/EU, unemployment stood at 2.6%. It is now 5.6% (1.85 million - May, 2015).
Norway, Iceland and Switzerland are thriving because they are not encumbered by Euro bailout costs and extortionate EU membership fees.
There were 25 EU Free Trade Agreements in force in 2012 while the Swiss (non-EU) had independently negotiated 26.
The EU's Landfill Directive has been responsible for some councils ending their weekly bin collections.
EU specified light bulbs cost 500% more than filament bulbs. Some people complain that the EU specified light bulbs produce a lesser quality of light and cfl's contain mercury, a poisonous neurotoxin and phosphors. Health issues affecting those that suffer from light sensitivity.
It's been suggested that VAT on domestic fuels should be cut from 5% to zero. But 5% is the minimum allowed under EU law.
Less than 10% of Britain's GDP represents trade with the EU yet Brussels regulations afflict 100% of the UK economy.
Britain will pay £100 million a year more to the European budget over the next five years. (Telegraph: 03/12/2014)
Article 42 3. gives the EU the power to begin the process of standardising the military forces of the member states via the EDA.
Britain receives just 49p of every £1 paid to the European Union. (Sunday Express & Business for Britain, 12/07/2015)
TTIP will undermine data privacy by making it easier for companies to gain access to individuals’ personal details for commercial purposes.
EU Commission will block public access to all documents related to TTIP negotiations for 30 years. (EU/US negotiator Ignacio Garcia Bercero)
TTIP will downgrade food safety rules (including restrictions on GMOs), regulations on the use of toxic chemicals and data protection laws.
TTIP will allow corporations to sue the UK under the Investor-State Dispute Settlement (ISDS) clause.
European crime gangs are operating here with impunity due to EU open borders. Gov't estimates there are 13k trafficking victims in the UK.
The UK may withdraw from the obligations of any (EU) treaty under Articles 56,65,66,67 of the 1969 Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties.
The EU isn't in the top five issues people are most concerned about. But those five issues are affected by the EU - like immigration.
HoC library's 13% UK laws made in Brussels figure doesn't include EU reg's which are transposed into law without passing through parliament.
The House of Commons library say 13.3% of UK laws now come from Brussels. European Commissioner Viviane Reding says it's 70%.
Our future does not depend on our membership of the European Union, it rests on our abilities to progress in the world outside of it.
Net EU contributions together with the adverse impact on business here of EU regulations will cost the UK more than £20billion in 2015.
There's no economic benefit in the UK remaining in the EU. EU regulations cost our businesses alone over £9.4bn, according to the BIS.
There was NO 'free movement' for Brits to the EU (EEC) before we joined in '73. Yet we lived, studied, worked, holidayed and retired there.
The EU is NOT "Europe". It's 56% of Europe's countries, 68% of the continent's population and just 43% of its land mass.
UK membership of EU: "Perhaps surprisingly, it's virtually impossible to find hard proof of any net benefit" — Carsten Volkery, Der Spiegel
UK has LOWER GDP ppp per head than:
Australia
Canada
HK
Iceland
Norway
Singapore
Switzerland
Taiwan
USA
Countries THRIVE outside the EU!
Britain’s future outside is bright, while the #EU is anti-democratic, anti-growth, and holding Britain back | via E21 http://t.co/fuFrsSuDHs
EU commits €267.6m for Denmark, €129.6m Estonia, €284.6m Germany, €172.9m for Sweden to boost fisheries & aquaculture. Nothing for the UK.
Top importers into the EU, by proportion of total EU imports:
18% China
12% USA
11% Russia
None have Free Trade Agreements with the EU!
'Britain had regular manufacturing & service trade surpluses with the rest of W Europe before joining the EEC (EU) in 1973' — Lewis Abbott
Well over a third of EU citizens reaching the UK in the year to March 2015 (39%) had no job arranged prior to their arrival here. ONS
In the past four quarters the EU exported £84.935bn more goods to the UK than we did to it. The EU cannot afford to stop trading with us!
The 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 7th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th and 13th biggest economies can survive and prosper outside the EU. So can the 5th: the UK.
Switzerland, Canada, South Africa, Chile, Mexico and South Korea have free trade agreements with the EU. So would the UK when we leave it.
UK Net Contributions to the EU budget:
£11.3bn 2015 (OBR estimate)
£11.0bn 2014
£ 8.6bn 2013
£ 8.5bn 2012
£ 8.1bn 2011
£ 7.4bn 2010
Elected MEPs cannot initiate legislation, propose legislation or even repeal legislation. All that is done by the unelected EU Commission.
Let's stop second guessing on what might happen if we leave the Eu or stay . But let's have a look at what this amazing position in the EU you are talking about has already done for our economy ?? People need stop looking in the future for the answer but in the past. Here are a few things the EU did to our economy; you can decide if they were good or bad but I know where my vote is going! Please SHARE!
Jaguar Land Rover stops making its Defender in the UK because of EU laws on fuel emissions. It is now set to be built abroad outside the EU.
In 2007 the Peugeot factory in Ryton, Coventry closed down (2,300 job losses) and moved to Slovakia with the help of £78m EU funding.
Britain's remaining ferry service to Scandinavia (DFDS Harwich to Esbjerg) ended in 2014 after 140 years service because of an EU Directive.
'3000 police cars foreign made'. Police say they are powerless to offer contracts to British car factories because of EU procurement rules.
Before the UK entered the EEC/EU, unemployment stood at 2.6%. It is now 5.6% (1.85 million - May, 2015).
Norway, Iceland and Switzerland are thriving because they are not encumbered by Euro bailout costs and extortionate EU membership fees.
There were 25 EU Free Trade Agreements in force in 2012 while the Swiss (non-EU) had independently negotiated 26.
The EU's Landfill Directive has been responsible for some councils ending their weekly bin collections.
EU specified light bulbs cost 500% more than filament bulbs. Some people complain that the EU specified light bulbs produce a lesser quality of light and cfl's contain mercury, a poisonous neurotoxin and phosphors. Health issues affecting those that suffer from light sensitivity.
It's been suggested that VAT on domestic fuels should be cut from 5% to zero. But 5% is the minimum allowed under EU law.
Less than 10% of Britain's GDP represents trade with the EU yet Brussels regulations afflict 100% of the UK economy.
Britain will pay £100 million a year more to the European budget over the next five years. (Telegraph: 03/12/2014)
Article 42 3. gives the EU the power to begin the process of standardising the military forces of the member states via the EDA.
Britain receives just 49p of every £1 paid to the European Union. (Sunday Express & Business for Britain, 12/07/2015)
TTIP will undermine data privacy by making it easier for companies to gain access to individuals’ personal details for commercial purposes.
EU Commission will block public access to all documents related to TTIP negotiations for 30 years. (EU/US negotiator Ignacio Garcia Bercero)
TTIP will downgrade food safety rules (including restrictions on GMOs), regulations on the use of toxic chemicals and data protection laws.
TTIP will allow corporations to sue the UK under the Investor-State Dispute Settlement (ISDS) clause.
European crime gangs are operating here with impunity due to EU open borders. Gov't estimates there are 13k trafficking victims in the UK.
The UK may withdraw from the obligations of any (EU) treaty under Articles 56,65,66,67 of the 1969 Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties.
The EU isn't in the top five issues people are most concerned about. But those five issues are affected by the EU - like immigration.
HoC library's 13% UK laws made in Brussels figure doesn't include EU reg's which are transposed into law without passing through parliament.
The House of Commons library say 13.3% of UK laws now come from Brussels. European Commissioner Viviane Reding says it's 70%.
Our future does not depend on our membership of the European Union, it rests on our abilities to progress in the world outside of it.
Net EU contributions together with the adverse impact on business here of EU regulations will cost the UK more than £20billion in 2015.
There's no economic benefit in the UK remaining in the EU. EU regulations cost our businesses alone over £9.4bn, according to the BIS.
There was NO 'free movement' for Brits to the EU (EEC) before we joined in '73. Yet we lived, studied, worked, holidayed and retired there.
The EU is NOT "Europe". It's 56% of Europe's countries, 68% of the continent's population and just 43% of its land mass.
UK membership of EU: "Perhaps surprisingly, it's virtually impossible to find hard proof of any net benefit" — Carsten Volkery, Der Spiegel
UK has LOWER GDP ppp per head than:
Australia
Canada
HK
Iceland
Norway
Singapore
Switzerland
Taiwan
USA
Countries THRIVE outside the EU!
Britain’s future outside is bright, while the #EU is anti-democratic, anti-growth, and holding Britain back | via E21 http://t.co/fuFrsSuDHs
EU commits €267.6m for Denmark, €129.6m Estonia, €284.6m Germany, €172.9m for Sweden to boost fisheries & aquaculture. Nothing for the UK.
Top importers into the EU, by proportion of total EU imports:
18% China
12% USA
11% Russia
None have Free Trade Agreements with the EU!
'Britain had regular manufacturing & service trade surpluses with the rest of W Europe before joining the EEC (EU) in 1973' — Lewis Abbott
Well over a third of EU citizens reaching the UK in the year to March 2015 (39%) had no job arranged prior to their arrival here. ONS
In the past four quarters the EU exported £84.935bn more goods to the UK than we did to it. The EU cannot afford to stop trading with us!
The 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 7th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th and 13th biggest economies can survive and prosper outside the EU. So can the 5th: the UK.
Switzerland, Canada, South Africa, Chile, Mexico and South Korea have free trade agreements with the EU. So would the UK when we leave it.
UK Net Contributions to the EU budget:
£11.3bn 2015 (OBR estimate)
£11.0bn 2014
£ 8.6bn 2013
£ 8.5bn 2012
£ 8.1bn 2011
£ 7.4bn 2010
Elected MEPs cannot initiate legislation, propose legislation or even repeal legislation. All that is done by the unelected EU Commission.
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and there's the stealth issues as well. apart from all the economic arguments, how many have you have spotted those motorway signs that have sprung up over the last 10 years.each sign being 0.5km apart.metrification by stealth.next thing is the EU will make us drive on the wrong side of the road. :33:
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[FONT="]You are quite correct MW, [/FONT]On 30 January 1661, Cromwell's body was dug up by the new monarchist regime, symbolically executed and then buried at Tyburn by a vengeful parliament.
He certainly is a divisive character in British history depending on your outlook, by destroying the power of the king he is sometimes called the 'father of democracy’.
Just as a footnote in the BBC poll of 2002, Cromwell was placed as the third greatest Briton of all time, behind Winston Churchill and IK Brunel.
FYI I am not religious or in any way a puritan just interested in history.
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The Un-elected elite have just been caught hiring this beast to railroad in all the new rules and regulations if we vote to stay, by the time we read it all and work it out we will already be a member of a super-state with a full blown army and no democratic systems.
[video=youtube;BjLG4lGc5Zc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjLG4lGc5Zc[/video]
[video=youtube;BjLG4lGc5Zc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjLG4lGc5Zc[/video]
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No to a Federal States of Europe
No to a single EU Army
No to mandatory membership of the Euro - for new joiners or existing members
No to the commissioners being the ONLY ones who can propose laws and changes
No to benefits being paid to anyone outside the country where its paid
Yes to treaty change so that the existing Euro countries have full fiscal and Political union - which the Germans and French are desperate to AVOID as it will mean changes for all.
Yes to a strong EEC.
Yes to mass redundancies in Brussels
Yes to stopping the STUPID Brussels to Strasbourg move once per month (what a colossal waste of money)
Yes to an end of freedom of movement for ALL convicted criminals (return to the country of origin and no movement for 3 x the jail sentence served)
Yes to big changes to the CAP
Yes to freeing Greece, Portugal, Spain and possibly Italy from the Euro
No to a single EU Army
No to mandatory membership of the Euro - for new joiners or existing members
No to the commissioners being the ONLY ones who can propose laws and changes
No to benefits being paid to anyone outside the country where its paid
Yes to treaty change so that the existing Euro countries have full fiscal and Political union - which the Germans and French are desperate to AVOID as it will mean changes for all.
Yes to a strong EEC.
Yes to mass redundancies in Brussels
Yes to stopping the STUPID Brussels to Strasbourg move once per month (what a colossal waste of money)
Yes to an end of freedom of movement for ALL convicted criminals (return to the country of origin and no movement for 3 x the jail sentence served)
Yes to big changes to the CAP
Yes to freeing Greece, Portugal, Spain and possibly Italy from the Euro
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This 10 year old BBC 4 documentary is well worth watching it gives a real historical time line to the relationship between Britain and the EU from Ted Heaths treacherous first signature in 1973.
[video=youtube;cTH0UrpSu2s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTH0UrpSu2s[/video]
[video=youtube;cTH0UrpSu2s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTH0UrpSu2s[/video]
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All I can say about the so called debate tonight on ITV is that IMO Nigel Farage answered every question superbly and had much applause from the audience. David Cameron's questioners appeared to have more applause than himself, and most of his answers were the same repetitive answer regardless of the question.
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Octopus
What I REALLY want to know is why Norway and Switzerland pay their fees to the EU, accept most of the rules but stay on the "outside"
Both countries are doing really well too.
Both countries are doing really well too.
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So is that the system you want for us if we vote out Murdoch?
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Its the EU gravy train!
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