EU Brexit - How will you vote given the latest "news"

[YoungScud]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

I think you need to look at the thread title before engaging your keyboard and posting a load of dross

I believe that's my call. I've been watching this 'news' for many months now, with growing alarm. Alarm, not because I think immigration is some great threat, because it isn't. No, I'm alarmed at how readily my fellow citizebs are willing to believe whatever the MSM throw at them, not to mention social media, where videos abound of the 'hordes' of foreigners coming off ferries. I saw one last night, posted by someone I thought knew better. It purported to show thousands of Syrian refugees being shepherded by Turkish policemen (interestingly, wearing vests marked 'Polizei'), in some shots, a sea of black faces (Syrians, mind), all done with very short 1-2 second shots, clearly a simple stitch job pulling together any footage which could be made to look like a coherent report on the immigration threat. Meanwhile, we're all fired up about corruption in Europe, while we don't seem to giva a ---- about how corrupt our own society is. So, forgive me if I'm sceptical, but it's born fo a lifetime of being lied to about how good our union is, how we're all better together, and how bad Johnny Foreigner is. So here's what I'd suggest. You leave my opinions to me and concentrate on making a cogent argument for yours.

 

[Octopus]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

I believe that's my call. I've been watching this 'news' for many months now, with growing alarm.

You leave my opinions to me and concentrate on making a cogent argument for yours.

Then stop posting trash in my thread.

 

[UNG]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

I believe that's my call. I've been watching this 'news' for many months now, with growing alarm. Alarm, not because I think immigration is some great threat, because it isn't. No, I'm alarmed at how readily my fellow citizebs are willing to believe whatever the MSM throw at them, not to mention social media, where videos abound of the 'hordes' of foreigners coming off ferries. I saw one last night, posted by someone I thought knew better. It purported to show thousands of Syrian refugees being shepherded by Turkish policemen (interestingly, wearing vests marked 'Polizei'), in some shots, a sea of black faces (Syrians, mind), all done with very short 1-2 second shots, clearly a simple stitch job pulling together any footage which could be made to look like a coherent report on the immigration threat. Meanwhile, we're all fired up about corruption in Europe, while we don't seem to giva a ---- about how corrupt our own society is. So, forgive me if I'm sceptical, but it's born fo a lifetime of being lied to about how good our union is, how we're all better together, and how bad Johnny Foreigner is. So here's what I'd suggest. You leave my opinions to me and concentrate on making a cogent argument for yours.

Your opinion and no one else's precludes any debate you have chosen not to or failed in a number of other threads to reply to comments made in reply to your highly opinionated, badly researched and sometimes derogatory posts

Your response above just trots out the same old dross as it appears you are the only one on here that has all the real facts so you must be right

My thoughts are that you are an angry Scots man that didn't get his way in a recent referendum and you are driven by that party north of the border that failed to make a coherent financial argument for independence

Don't bother replying to me you have been added to my ignore list as I have better things to do with my time than continue wasting my life reading your dross

 

[Darkwood]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

I believe that's my call. I've been watching this 'news' for many months now, with growing alarm. Alarm, not because I think immigration is some great threat, because it isn't. No, I'm alarmed at how readily my fellow citizebs are willing to believe whatever the MSM throw at them, not to mention social media, where videos abound of the 'hordes' of foreigners coming off ferries. I saw one last night, posted by someone I thought knew better. It purported to show thousands of Syrian refugees being shepherded by Turkish policemen (interestingly, wearing vests marked 'Polizei'), in some shots, a sea of black faces (Syrians, mind), all done with very short 1-2 second shots, clearly a simple stitch job pulling together any footage which could be made to look like a coherent report on the immigration threat. Meanwhile, we're all fired up about corruption in Europe, while we don't seem to giva a ---- about how corrupt our own society is. So, forgive me if I'm sceptical, but it's born fo a lifetime of being lied to about how good our union is, how we're all better together, and how bad Johnny Foreigner is. So here's what I'd suggest. You leave my opinions to me and concentrate on making a cogent argument for yours.

Everyone is prone to this propaganda, don't judge them for sharing such stuff just correct them and explain they are the victim of a fake report, regarding the subject matter, I have followed European politics for several years now, the amount of power over our government and laws that the EU hold is now pretty substantial, yes our own inhouse government need a lot of changes and thats regardless of who is at the helm but the EU itself is an entity to itself and requires pulling apart and rebuilding, it claims to be democratic but its leaders are not elected, it pretends its financially sound but it has self written off billions in accountings it alledgedly cannot find (corruption?)... the true inpact of the recent immigration is been muffled in those countries that are mainly effected with only the biggest stories seeping out even after EU surpressive attempts (the mass sexual assaults and rapings of the new year in Germany are one example and it was hidden for several days before it got out), the fact that those countries who have had a large influx of immigration recently has seen an epidemic in rapes and assaults of resident young females is still under reported - why you ask?... well we have a referendum coming up for IN/OUT and the EU is desperate to not show immigration is effecting them negatively, if you want to get a real scope on the damage of the mass immigration has had recently then look up the problems Germany and Sweden has had recently, some of it is hard reading tbh and its definately not the kind of people I would ever want in the UK.
When a EU member has its own government elections and Brussels doesn't like who has been put in power then the EU demands they devolve the parliment until someone they want is in power (Greece), when a country votes to leave the EU by democracy then the EU ignore the result and forces another referendum until the result is in their favour (Ireland), if you ever thought any of our governments were creating a nanny state then you haven't realised the impact the EU actually has over its members and how it reacts when it doesn't get its way... if we vote out we won't be subject to what happened to Ireland as we are one of the main players here but it shows just how corrupt and power hungry the EU is, it claims it is not creating a 'State' but everything it has done and is still doing all show this to be a lie.

In this country we actually get little in the way of EU news and what is happening as the media don't see it as interesting while we paddle along side them but now we have a referendum around the corner the EU is desperate to paint a rosy picture while the media is finding some shocking things out about how it is run and exactly what impact it has on our day to day lives.. I already know a lot of it and immigration is the least of our problems as a reason to leave, the bigger picture hasn't been portrayed yet.

 

[sean_ork]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

........ I already know a lot of it and immigration is the least of our problems as a reason to leave, the bigger picture hasn't been portrayed yet.

If I promise not to put you on my ignore list if I ever run out of ability to defend my point, would you mind painting a picture showing us what we should all be really worried about please ?


What dark secrets have you gleaned during your several years of following EU politics ?

 

[YoungScud]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

My thoughts are that you are an angry Scots man

No irony there then, much less basic assumptions.

 

[YoungScud]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

Then stop posting trash in my thread.

Your thread? Interesting way of looking at it, but I suppose it explains a lot.

 

[Octopus]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

Your thread? Interesting way of looking at it, but I suppose it explains a lot.

Well ..... I did start it and it's a poll for the up coming EU referendum. That's all really.

Feel free to start your own thread!

 

[egg67]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

Your thread? Interesting way of looking at it, but I suppose it explains a lot.

Murdoch started it so it his thread, everyone else has just contributed to it in some way or another.
As for the eu it is not the same as when joined it has become a power that only has to answer to its self. The people in power are not elected and part of a political has been society
You know the sort of people running it x opposition leaders, X Prime Minister's and MPs that filed to get elected to Houses of Parliament but then went on to become Mep and are getting paid a nice bit of money to do a job that is not a job but costs us lots in the taxes we pay, let's think about it when did we start paying V.A.T

 

[Octopus]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

Back on track.

very interesting that there are no undecided votes as yet!

 

[Darkwood]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

If I promise not to put you on my ignore list if I ever run out of ability to defend my point, would you mind painting a picture showing us what we should all be really worried about please ?


What dark secrets have you gleaned during your several years of following EU politics ?

It would be totally your choice if I end up on your Ignore list although TBH I'm not sure if its possible with a Mod' as we normally post warnings and tidy threads up etc :stooge_curly: (hmmm Ill have to ask the question now its been mentioned)

I listed 3 issues with the EU and how its run in that post alone, these are not in themselves little issues but big ones and very concerning IMHO, if you think that its OK for the Brussels Elite to bully Member countries until they get the correct vote or government in power by using threats of various forms or whether you think its right that we give 17billion to them and when we ask for them to show the accounts they refuse and can't explain missing billions... yet they keep coming back asking for more, when they couldn't legitimately give us reason to pay more based on the GDP figures (how they calculate our contribution) they changed the laws governing what GDP covers so now it takes into account prostitution and drug dealing which the government get zero tax back on yet we now have to pay the EU for this YES... you wouldn't believe this if it weren't actually true, now we have to pay the EU part of our contributions based on an imaginary figure that takes drug dealers and prostitution into account... I'm shocked tbh that child trafficing wasn't included mg_smile:

I respect anybody's view to either leave or stay but as always tends to be the case, the majority voting will actually have little knowledge of the reality of what exactly is our relation with the EU and they will only be making a decision of the back of the media around the time of the referendum which is scary considering this could make a massive difference to the UK.

 

[andyb]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

I respect anybody's view to either leave or stay but as always tends to be the case, the majority voting will actually have little knowledge of the reality of what exactly is our relation with the EU and they will only be making a decision of the back of the media around the time of the referendum which is scary considering this could make a massive difference to the UK.

I agree with that, which is why I think the the out vote will win.

 

[sean_ork]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

It would be totally your choice if I end up on your Ignore list although TBH I'm not sure if its possible with a Mod' as we normally post warnings and tidy threads up etc :stooge_curly: (hmmm Ill have to ask the question now its been mentioned)

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Oh is that it ? - you said that immigration was the least of our worries, all you've come up with is bad accounting practices, that's hardly the root of all evil. You call it bullying, Id call it ensuring members adhere to the rules, if you don't like the rules there's the door - you'll not see many heading for the exit. We are just feigning our concern, we won't leave - if we left it would overnight kill off many businesses. I've had business dealing throughout the EU and much further affield for longer than I'd care to remember and can remember how much faff it was to sell into the EU - these days it's seamless. Leave the EU and you'll send us back into recession, not that we are completely out of the previous one yet.


Oddly, that flexible approach to accounting, which now requires us to include such black market trades as drugs deals and ladies of the night within our GDP helped the head towel folder show a growing economy (up a massive 0.2%) that and the OAPs now being able to buy sports cars with pensions.


You missed my point about re my ignore list, I'm sure someone else won't

 

[YoungScud]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

Everyone is prone to this propaganda, don't judge them for sharing such stuff just correct them and explain they are the victim of a fake report, regarding the subject matter, I have followed European politics for several years now, the amount of power over our government and laws that the EU hold is now pretty substantial, yes our own inhouse government need a lot of changes and thats regardless of who is at the helm but the EU itself is an entity to itself and requires pulling apart and rebuilding, it claims to be democratic but its leaders are not elected, it pretends its financially sound but it has self written off billions in accountings it alledgedly cannot find (corruption?)... the true inpact of the recent immigration is been muffled in those countries that are mainly effected with only the biggest stories seeping out even after EU surpressive attempts (the mass sexual assaults and rapings of the new year in Germany are one example and it was hidden for several days before it got out), the fact that those countries who have had a large influx of immigration recently has seen an epidemic in rapes and assaults of resident young females is still under reported - why you ask?... well we have a referendum coming up for IN/OUT and the EU is desperate to not show immigration is effecting them negatively, if you want to get a real scope on the damage of the mass immigration has had recently then look up the problems Germany and Sweden has had recently, some of it is hard reading tbh and its definately not the kind of people I would ever want in the UK.
When a EU member has its own government elections and Brussels doesn't like who has been put in power then the EU demands they devolve the parliment until someone they want is in power (Greece), when a country votes to leave the EU by democracy then the EU ignore the result and forces another referendum until the result is in their favour (Ireland), if you ever thought any of our governments were creating a nanny state then you haven't realised the impact the EU actually has over its members and how it reacts when it doesn't get its way... if we vote out we won't be subject to what happened to Ireland as we are one of the main players here but it shows just how corrupt and power hungry the EU is, it claims it is not creating a 'State' but everything it has done and is still doing all show this to be a lie.

In this country we actually get little in the way of EU news and what is happening as the media don't see it as interesting while we paddle along side them but now we have a referendum around the corner the EU is desperate to paint a rosy picture while the media is finding some shocking things out about how it is run and exactly what impact it has on our day to day lives.. I already know a lot of it and immigration is the least of our problems as a reason to leave, the bigger picture hasn't been portrayed yet.

That's just not true. First of all, Ireland never voted to leave the EU, it voted to reject the Lisbon Treaty. The Irsish governmet went to the EU with its concerns, renegotiated terms and the Irispeople then accepted them. That's not bullying, not by any means.

 

[ian.settle1]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

That's just not true. First of all, Ireland never voted to leave the EU, it voted to reject the Lisbon Treaty. The Irsish governmet went to the EU with its concerns, renegotiated terms and the Irispeople then accepted them. That's not bullying, not by any means.

Who are they aliens from outer space?