Green Deal Update

[Berneray]

I've posted this before but here is my take on Green Deal as this happened to us just the other day.

On Sunday a DEA did an EPC for us. Even though the house passed with no fines walls our brave and intrepid DEA went onto sell the benefits of the Green Deal to effectively what is our customers. Not the DEA's as we pay for the EPC.

Our customer now wants to know more about the Green Deal and if it can be used even to partly fund his installation.

So despite having a signed contract and now paid for an EPC.........we no longer have a system we can install.

We received an email from the DEA telling us not to install as he was investigating ECO funding for solid wall insulation and Green Deal funding for pv.

This is the third DEA that has used a request from us to do an EPC as a sales opportunity for them......selling LED's, boilers, ect ect...

And has anyone taken a look a the home imp section of the Red Tops recently.....now theres a real eye opener...

 

[Earthstore]

Tell the DEA to tell the customer that he has looked into it and the GD would not be suitable for them because of the charge that would be put against the property, and he recommends that they go ahead with the PV system, if he refuses send him a notice that you will start court proceedings against him for the full cost of the PV system because the customer is now out of the cancellation period.

There is another way, but I do not condone violence on a public forum...

Added;
That's all you need DEA's going on a mission of greed to take away your customers.

 

[moggy1968]

you need some sort of non disclosure type agreement with your DEAs, so if they poach your customers they pay a substantial penalty.

 

[Eco Deal]

There is actually a lot a barriers to jump over just to install one job which is a good thing about the Green deal.

it alot more requlated the anything I have seen before.

the customer gets alot of power and if they do not sign certain documents nobody gets paid.

so the customer must confirm they a above all happy with installation and also that they have recieved warranty.

plus there are 5% random audits form Ofgem which the role down form provider to installers so they all must comply or your paying back the money to the big six under eco.

not that easy for quick fix cowboys this time...... plus you can get all the badges but still need to link with other and if you start causing problem no GDP will want your work as they have to cover it for the lifetime.

 

[whinmoor]

I went to visit a customer today and he asked about "getting it free". I tried to convince him that he could probably get a better deal financing it himself. Not sure if I won him round.

 

[Gavin A]

I've posted this before but here is my take on Green Deal as this happened to us just the other day.

On Sunday a DEA did an EPC for us. Even though the house passed with no fines walls our brave and intrepid DEA went onto sell the benefits of the Green Deal to effectively what is our customers. Not the DEA's as we pay for the EPC.

Our customer now wants to know more about the Green Deal and if it can be used even to partly fund his installation.

So despite having a signed contract and now paid for an EPC.........we no longer have a system we can install.

We received an email from the DEA telling us not to install as he was investigating ECO funding for solid wall insulation and Green Deal funding for pv.

This is the third DEA that has used a request from us to do an EPC as a sales opportunity for them......selling LED's, boilers, ect ect...

And has anyone taken a look a the home imp section of the Red Tops recently.....now theres a real eye opener...

I take it you've sacked the EPC guy off and told him why?

I'd also be writing to the customer and pointing out that if they want to fund the PV through a loan then they can almost certainly get better rates from their bank or other personal loan company.

Might also be worth pointing out that the vast majority of the external wall insualtion teams have currently barely got a clue what they're doing, it was a tiny market that's now being increased several thousand fold to meet ECO funding requirements, so most teams won't have a clue and it's actually pretty tricky to get it right and not end up with water ingress down the back leading to severe damp problems.

fight dirty, but also honestly - all the above is true.

 

[whinmoor]

I'd also be writing to the customer and pointing out that if they want to fund the PV through a loan then they can almost certainly get better rates from their bank or other personal loan company.

Very true, Gavin.
Sainsbury and Tesco are both doing £7,500 loans over 5 years for around 5.1%. Makes a lot more sense than going via the Green Deal route, paying 7% and having a whole mixture of advisors, providers and installers to deal with.

 

[sedgy34]

I would just like to add
we know about the interest rate is more than other loan company's but what you don't get is the NO UPFRONT COST people who have no money ain't bothered about the extra %% they have to pay as long as it don't cost them a penny, now you won't convince people to have a loan because they realise they have got to juggle payments about which they don't normally do that's why they want the FREE stuff because its FREE
Q, how many times have you lot had a customer ask about free solar? Because its FREE lol

 

[moggy1968]

Very true, Gavin.
Sainsbury and Tesco are both doing £7,500 loans over 5 years for around 5.1%. Makes a lot more sense than going via the Green Deal route, paying 7% and having a whole mixture of advisors, providers and installers to deal with.

and, when the loan is paid off you still have the Feed in Tarriff coming to you

 

[moggy1968]

I would just like to add
we know about the interest rate is more than other loan company's but what you don't get is the NO UPFRONT COST people who have no money ain't bothered about the extra %% they have to pay as long as it don't cost them a penny, now you won't convince people to have a loan because they realise they have got to juggle payments about which they don't normally do that's why they want the FREE stuff because its FREE
Q, how many times have you lot had a customer ask about free solar? Because its FREE lol

very rarely actually, because most realise they will beworse off with free solar.
Those that have asked about it have quickly changed theirminds when they realise what they could lose.
There's no such thing as a free lunch. Unfortunatelythere are some gullable or vulnerable people who don’t realise that, but mostof my customers are intelligent enough to realise when someone is taking themfor a ride. That’s why they use us over the glossy brochure brigade!

 

[whinmoor]

My view is that the potential winners from the Green Deal are landlords who can basically get their properties upgraded at the tenant's expense. Of course, the theory is that the tenant is not paying either as they will be saving on their energy bills. The landlord could also lose if he can't find a tenant (and therefore has to fund the repayments himself). It's a bit of a minefield.

So, who are the big winners? The training companies and accreditation bodies certainly. But, also the guys in suits who borrow money at low % and lend it out at high %.

Again, it looks like it's: Bankers 1 - Regular Folk 0.

 

[SRE]

Energy Company Obligation data | Centre for Sustainable Energy

Super Lower Output areas by Local Authority - these are the priority areas for ECO anything outside of these is unlikely to get funding. I looked at my area and it's the worst social housing estates, very few privately owned houses and very few solid wall properties.

Whinmoor - I've talked to a few landlords, (not a lot) but I'm one myself and none of us are remotely interested in Green Deal. It makes letting your property a greater risk. It's too complicated to explain to new tenants about a fee that the previous tenant incurred, if you decide to sell there still doesn't seem to be any method of repayment of the debt and if it's void you have to pick up the payment as the landlord. If your original tenant was a relatively high user and leaves the house a new tenant working and a lower user will really feel the extra payments. As you say - it's a minefield, currently it looks as though it's social housing that is going to benefit most via their tenants.

 

[wiggly]

SRE, Whats to stop the tennant getting green deal measures done then moving out after the rent period??

wiggly

 

[SRE]

The landlord has to agree to it - until 2016 when the landlord can't refuse a Green Deal if the property falls below an E rated EPC. Green Deal warning for buy-to-let landlords - Telegraph To be fair mine are all C rated apart from one that needs cash spent on it but the way the tenants treat it - nothing will be spent until it's cleaned up!! But for some people who have been forced to become landlords because they can't sell their houses it could be interesting. In rural areas F & G ratings are quite common - solid walls and oil heating - what's going to happen there .....

 

[sedgy34]

If you have a tennant on a benefit you as a landlord would get Eco funding for a new boiler