i am thinking about starting an electrician course

[ektoras]

i am thinking about starting an electrician course i live i plymouth
need some advise please... which places have got a good reputation
for people with no experience etc thanks luca

 

[MDJ]

I only said I wanted to do domestic work, no intention of ever doing anything other than that.

You will still need a very high skill level, and in all work regardless of the type of work carried out, the design is an important part and not for fun or Clowns, this is why DIYers are dangerous, think again about your posts, go through the thread again and look at what you posted here

 

[DJ Ovengloves]

Wow, Jan 1st 2013 and already a contender for "most spiteful post of the year"

You best get your tin hat on or just jog on because you have just totally disrespected hundreds of proper electricians with that last statement saying anybody can do domestic work.

I hope you fail miserably

 

[LlandrilloSpark]

If you like being disrespected by a chancer Ovengloves than that's up to you mate, I havnt gone through what I've gone through and trained as hard and sacrificed what I did to be belittled by a chancer.
He has basically remarked that any unskilled / unqualified person can be a domestic electrician.

And by the way I'm not childish

 

[GLENNSPARK]

If you like being disrespected by a chancer Ovengloves than that's up to you mate, I havnt gone through what I've gone through and trained as hard and sacrificed what I did to be belittled by a chancer

where has our `Mr wannabe` gone to anyway?...
notice how they dont hang about to take fire when their rumbled...lol

 

[DJ Ovengloves]

Then the first part of your quote would have sufficed, the rest (the failing part) was spiteful (I retract the childish and will edit my post)

If you like being disrespected by a chancer Ovengloves than that's up to you mate, I havnt gone through what I've gone through and trained as hard and sacrificed what I did to be belittled by a chancer.
He has basically remarked that any unskilled / unqualified person can be a domestic electrician.

And by the way I'm not childish

 

[LlandrilloSpark]

I don't hold back when I get poked, and I say what's on my mind, no point in holding it in, he's tried to rub us up the wrong way and succeeded, so he is fair game

 

[MDJ]

Yes his posts were definately ridiculous and not the type which won't get responses, just read the thread again fella.

 

[Deleted member 9648]

I think a few things on domestic work need to be got straight.

Pretty much any muppet could install the wiring for a ring circuit,lighting circuit or radial if shown how by a competant person....as 'fixitelectrical' has pointed out it's not rocket science.
Where said muppet will fail is with final connections (it takes experience to terminate wires which will remain terminated properly long term)...and testing his circuits. While said muppet many be able to test his circuits according to the book,he will fail to understand what the readings he obtains are telling him,this defeats the whole object of testing.
Where he will also fail is when faced with a circuit/installation he has not wired himself. Without the experience of a proper apprenticeship said muppet will struggle to identify and repair faults and problems.
So the way I see it is your average Electrical Trainee muppet may well be able to wire a domestic circuit...but chances are ,not far down the line there will be problems because of poor terminations....(experience has taught me that most electrical faults are down to lack of attention to detail at terminations) and an inability to spot problems with his own test results.....and as for fault finding existing circuits,well you only have to read some of the threads on here to see how many Electrical Trainee's are taking money off customers for days spent finding faults I garantee I could suss in an hour.
Cant remember the last time I saw a thread from Tel....or Des...or MJD...or Skelton...etc,etc.....saying "I've just changed a CU and the RCD keeps tripping...HELP"
Rock on Electrical Trainee's

 

[Riley]

I think a few things on domestic work need to be got straight.

Pretty much any muppet could install the wiring for a ring circuit,lighting circuit or radial if shown how by a competant person....as 'fixitelectrical' has pointed out it's not rocket science.
Where said muppet will fail is with final connections (it takes experience to terminate wires which will remain terminated properly long term)...and testing his circuits. While said muppet many be able to test his circuits according to the book,he will fail to understand what the readings he obtains are telling him,this defeats the whole object of testing.
Where he will also fail is when faced with a circuit/installation he has not wired himself. Without the experience of a proper apprenticeship said muppet will struggle to identify and repair faults and problems.
So the way I see it is your average Electrical Trainee muppet may well be able to wire a domestic circuit...but chances are ,not far down the line there will be problems because of poor terminations....(experience has taught me that most electrical faults are down to lack of attention to detail at terminations) and an inability to spot problems with his own test results.....and as for fault finding existing circuits,well you only have to read some of the threads on here to see how many Electrical Trainee's are taking money off customers for days spent finding faults I garantee I could suss in an hour.
Cant remember the last time I saw a thread from Tel....or Des...or MJD...or Skelton...etc,etc.....saying "I've just changed a CU and the RCD keeps tripping...HELP"
Rock on Electrical Trainee's

Spot on

 

[timbobelfast]

What an absolute WALTER MITTY..........!

 

[MDJ]

The other thing I have seen muppets do is drill the joists in the wrong places, when you do an apprenticeship with a properly trained mentor you will learn about simple things like how and where to drill Joists, how far from the corners of partition walls cables can run etc, how to chase walls straight, how to clip cables through lofts, the standard of works these days is pretty poor, cables slung over ceilings. holes drilled anywhere, cables in the same slots as central heating pipes, theres a lot more to designing and installing a Domestic Installation than a ring main, for instance how many do you put in? thats one decision, I have seen one only on a new build and thats the truth, I also Remember one so called spark who was green and had no experience actually wire the whole house on one ring and he did it in 1.5mm2 6243Y by mistake, when I asked why he installed one ring he said "whats the problem" he assumed there was no load and it wouldn't be an issue, when I explained we just don't do that due to our sparks standards and I wanted him to install a ring in the kitchen and up as well as down he thought I was mad, he was a DIYer who bluffed his way into a job and the gaffer who we worked for at that time fell for it, as the foreman on the site at the time it didn't take long to sus him out, a nice guy but a DIYer.I also had a guy who flattened some metal capping with an hammer an then tape it to cables in the wall, he said he had never used capping before and didn't realise the lip was there to go around the cables, he thought the capping had to be flattened, I also had one guy install a burglar alarm and there was 2 key pads on it, one at the front door and one in the master bedroom so the owner could alarm the downstairs from his bedroom at night, he phoned me one day saying Mike can you come to site I'm stressed, well I said okay calm down I'm on my way, so after making sure the other guys on the Job I was on were busy and happy I left site to see him. Once there I asked him what the problem was, he said the alarm wouldn't set and the key pad kept saying tamper fault, he said he checked everything and couldn't work it out and was going home as he had had a guts full. I went around the system and saw the key pad in the en-suite was not on properly, pushed it on and the fault went, he went mad and started throwing his kit around in anger as I was there 10 seconds and found the fault, he said after he had calmed down that he had forgotten he wired the second Key pad, astonishing, I am running out of thread now but you wouldn't believe what he did in the boiler room, the house was a biggy, the system for the heating was not the usual, haha, it turned out he was a telecommunications engineer who bluffed his way into the job, just like the other one I mentioned, More to domestic work than a ring main.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

The other thing I have seen muppets do is drill the joists in the wrong places, when you do an apprenticeship with a properly trained mentor you will learn about simple things like how and where to drill Joists, how far from the corners of partition walls cables can run etc, how to chase walls straight, how to clip cables through lofts, the standard of works these days is pretty poor, cables slung over ceilings. holes drilled anywhere, cables in the same slots as central heating pipes, theres a lot more to designing and installing a Domestic Installation than a ring main, for instance how many do you put in? thats one decision, I have seen one only on a new build and thats the truth, I also Remember one so called spark who was green and had no experience actually wire the whole house on one ring and he did it in 1.5mm2 6243Y by mistake, when I asked why he installed one ring he said "whats the problem" he assumed there was no load and it wouldn't be an issue, when I explained we just don't do that due to our sparks standards and I wanted him to install a ring in the kitchen and up as well as down he thought I was mad, he was a DIYer who bluffed his way into a job and the gaffer who we worked for at that time fell for it, as the foreman on the site at the time it didn't take long to sus him out, a nice guy but a DIYer.I also had a guy who flattened some metal capping with an hammer an then tape it to cables in the wall, he said he had never used capping before and didn't realise the lip was there to go around the cables, he thought the capping had to be flattened, I also had one guy install a burglar alarm and there was 2 key pads on it, one at the front door and one in the master bedroom so the owner could alarm the downstairs from his bedroom at night, he phoned me one day saying Mike can you come to site I'm stressed, well I said okay calm down I'm on my way, so after making sure the other guys on the Job I was on were busy and happy I left site to see him. Once there I asked him what the problem was, he said the alarm wouldn't set and the key pad kept saying tamper fault, he said he checked everything and couldn't work it out and was going home as he had had a guts full. I went around the system and saw the key pad in the en-suite was not on properly, pushed it on and the fault went, he went mad and started throwing his kit around in anger as I was there 10 seconds and found the fault, he said after he had calmed down that he had forgotten he wired the second Key pad, astonishing, I am running out of thread now but you wouldn't believe what he did in the boiler room, the house was a biggy, the system for the heating was not the usual, haha, it turned out he was a telecommunications engineer who bluffed his way into the job, just like the other one I mentioned, More to domestic work than a ring main.

and its knowing when a ring final is appropriate....and when an A3 will cut it...
like in a lot of those back to back type houses with a small footprint....seen a lot of these with ring finals everyware...like one for each floor and it just don`t warrent it at all.....a couple of A3s will do...one serving the downstairs room with kitchenette and the other for the 2 upper floors...
its stuff like that where you have a responsibility of costs to the person ordering the work as well..

 

[ipf]

The other thing I have seen muppets do is drill the joists in the wrong places, when you do an apprenticeship with a properly trained mentor you will learn about simple things like how and where to drill Joists, how far from the corners of partition walls cables can run etc, how to chase walls straight, how to clip cables through lofts, the standard of works these days is pretty poor, cables slung over ceilings. holes drilled anywhere, cables in the same slots as central heating pipes, theres a lot more to designing and installing a Domestic Installation than a ring main, for instance how many do you put in? thats one decision, I have seen one only on a new build and thats the truth, I also Remember one so called spark who was green and had no experience actually wire the whole house on one ring and he did it in 1.5mm2 6243Y by mistake, when I asked why he installed one ring he said "whats the problem" he assumed there was no load and it wouldn't be an issue, when I explained we just don't do that due to our sparks standards and I wanted him to install a ring in the kitchen and up as well as down he thought I was mad, he was a DIYer who bluffed his way into a job and the gaffer who we worked for at that time fell for it, as the foreman on the site at the time it didn't take long to sus him out, a nice guy but a DIYer.I also had a guy who flattened some metal capping with an hammer an then tape it to cables in the wall, he said he had never used capping before and didn't realise the lip was there to go around the cables, he thought the capping had to be flattened, I also had one guy install a burglar alarm and there was 2 key pads on it, one at the front door and one in the master bedroom so the owner could alarm the downstairs from his bedroom at night, he phoned me one day saying Mike can you come to site I'm stressed, well I said okay calm down I'm on my way, so after making sure the other guys on the Job I was on were busy and happy I left site to see him. Once there I asked him what the problem was, he said the alarm wouldn't set and the key pad kept saying tamper fault, he said he checked everything and couldn't work it out and was going home as he had had a guts full. I went around the system and saw the key pad in the en-suite was not on properly, pushed it on and the fault went, he went mad and started throwing his kit around in anger as I was there 10 seconds and found the fault, he said after he had calmed down that he had forgotten he wired the second Key pad, astonishing, I am running out of thread now but you wouldn't believe what he did in the boiler room, the house was a biggy, the system for the heating was not the usual, haha, it turned out he was a telecommunications engineer who bluffed his way into the job, just like the other one I mentioned, More to domestic work than a ring main.

Not an 'expert in data comms and internet', by any chance?

 

[MDJ]

He said he was, His name was Steve, I will never Forget him, A nice guy, but out of his depth at that time with Domestic work, he may well be brilliant now, it was about 15 years ago

 

[ipf]

He said he was, His name was Steve, I will never Forget him, A nice guy, but out of his depth at that time with Domestic work, he may well be brilliant now, it was about 15 years ago

Our friend should return in about 15 years then. Mind you, probably be a 5 hour course by then, so he'd be grossly experienced.