JIB grading

[dean7828]

hi guys could someone help with identifying what JIB grade i would be able to get with my current qualification as everyone seems to have different opinions on the matter, i currently hold.......

17th eddition
2391
NVQ L3
2330 L2 & L3

just been layed off so need the card instead of paying for a CSCS card. any advice would be great thanks in advance.

 

[VoltzElectrical]

You can get 2356 NVQ3 with C&G 2360 PT1&2

That\s what I said in a roundabout way. The 2330 level 2 and 3 replaced the 2360 part 1 and 2. They got rid of the Am1 at the same time I believe. So the qualifications are basically the same, even if the 2330 is a bit easier, it still delivers the same key fundamental underpinning knowledge, that along with the Site experience (diary) forms the NVQ 3. As it happens, the college that I am using for my NVQ 3 requires the am2 which I have taken and awaiting results. i was happy enough to do the exam as I believe it does have it's own credentials.

As I have stated before though, there are companies out there that you can complete the NVQ with that do not require the AM2. And neither does the JIB.

END OF.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

When I applied for my card some 6 years ago,
All I remember sending off were copies of my 2360 1&2, 2381 and the ECS H&S certificate.
The card came back with the grade 'Installation Electrician', and all it had on the reverse was my 2381.
Since then, I've renewed twice, it now shows the 2382 on the reverse.
Never done an NVQ.
Although I have the AM2, I'm pretty sure that I never sent a copy off, but I have heard that sometimes the AM2 is accepted instead of an NVQ3?
The JIB appear to make it up as they go along.
Worse than me in that respect!

 

[VoltzElectrical]

When I applied for my card some 6 years ago,
All I remember sending off were copies of my 2360 1&2, 2381 and the ECS H&S certificate.
The card came back with the grade 'Installation Electrician', and all it had on the reverse was my 2381.
Since then, I've renewed twice, it now shows the 2382 on the reverse.
Never done an NVQ.
Although I have the AM2, I'm pretty sure that I never sent a copy off, but I have heard that sometimes the AM2 is accepted instead of an NVQ3?
The JIB appear to make it up as they go along.
Worse than me in that respect!

You guys that got your first cards before the NVQ3 don't have to do it, but you probably did need the AM2. Nowadays, they have switched preference to the NVQ3 to award 'electrician' status. Without the nvq 3 all new sparks, AM2 or not, will only get 'electrical improver' grade.

For all the naysayers out there, you have the internet. Go on the JIB website, then come on here again and tell me I'm wrong. And please remember...I DON'T MAKE THE RULES!.

Cheers,

 

[alarm man]

i got my new ecs a few month back,grade installation electrcian,additional security systems on front,on reverse it say completed apprenticeship and nvq level 3 i cant remember doing a nvq came out my time 92,we were sent on a few courses at work the last one being in 96 when we were sent to college as a refresher as we mainly done marine which was like the am2 test,i can only presume that was a nvq test

 

[geofff]

As we speak the postman is about to deliver my 1st ever ECS card, should arrive in the next 3-4 days.
I do not have apprenticeship papers, AM1 or AM2
I do have 25 years experience, 17th edition, 2391, NVQ3 and employer references.

Any bets on what grade?

 

[alarm man]

As we speak the postman is about to deliver my 1st ever ECS card, should arrive in the next 3-4 days.
I do not have apprenticeship papers, AM1 or AM2
I do have 25 years experience, 17th edition, 2391, NVQ3 and employer references.

Any bets on what grade?

could be anything,i put 5 disciplines down on my ecs card,only got 2..i spent 90% of my time on ships and panel building,i got spark + alarms..

 

[Engineer54]

As we speak the postman is about to deliver my 1st ever ECS card, should arrive in the next 3-4 days.
I do not have apprenticeship papers, AM1 or AM2
I do have 25 years experience, 17th edition, 2391, NVQ3 and employer references.

Any bets on what grade?

I would image your guess is as good as anyone else's!!! Some daft title i expect, one that probably bears no resemblance to your skills.... lol!!!

 

[Guest112]

End of? Not really seeing as you're WRONG about that.

i stand corrected then (apparently) i sat an apprenticeship for jib graded company my question then out of interest if you know so much why does the am2 exist if its not necessary?? if it wasnt required then it wouldnt exist ?? surely?? im confused because when i had my forms for my jib regrading from apprentice to electrician i needed the am2 cert and completion of apprenticeship cert along with my 2330 and 17th update (wasnt required but i have it) so tbh im not convinced that you are right unless its changed VERY recently have you actually had the forms or rang them? im guessing not and your just assuming

 

[alarm man]

i stand corrected then (apparently) i sat an apprenticeship for jib graded company my question then out of interest if you know so much why does the am2 exist if its not necessary?? if it wasnt required then it wouldnt exist ?? surely?? im confused because when i had my forms for my jib regrading from apprentice to electrician i needed the am2 cert and completion of apprenticeship cert along with my 2330 and 17th update (wasnt required but i have it) so tbh im not convinced that you are right unless its changed VERY recently have you actually had the forms or rang them? im guessing not and your just assuming

i always thought the am2 was a must.

 

[fuzzydunlop]

He is right, as I said earlier i phoned the JIB to clarify and AM2 isn't needed

 

[Guest112]

so why does the am2 exist then like i said when i regraded the am2 was NEEDED i bet if you sent the forms off youd get them sent back asking for the am2 cert i wouldnt trust a random person on the phone

 

[Risteard]

AM2 exists because it is required to complete the NVQ on the Apprentice framework. Therefore I see no reason why if the NVQ Level 3 has been achieved without the AM2 outside the JIB Apprentice Training Scheme that the AM2 would necessarily be required.

 

[Guest112]

so no need to prove competence if youve not sat an apprenticeship and just done it yourself? something fishy there we all know the nvq is a load of bull so all your doing is sitting the easy 2330 exams (or new equivalent) pretending you work for a firm to flimp the easy nvq and not even proving your competence at the end of it? whatever you think is required im glad i sat the am2 proof under pressure that im competent and not just avoiding it

 

[Guest112]

just read on the net that you now need the am2 to complete yor qualifications... so to all you self qualified easy route taking people who think that sitting the multichoice exams and doing the easy nvq 3 is enough to be qualified i disagree why would you think thats enough? no wonder the industry is going down the pan shame on you lol
Originally part of the pre-NVQ assessments, the AM2 is an independently administered practical exam and multiple choice test that take place at various centres across the country. The AM2 now forms the final unit of the C&G2357 qualification (2357-399) and must be completed to gain the whole qualification.
Before a student will be allowed to sit the AM2, a mandatory checklist sill be completed to ensure that the student is ready to take the test. The test lasts between 2 and 2 and a half days (16.5 hours) and there will be four distinct sections.

 

[Guest123]

The AM2 has also been butchered beyond recognition, with the areas that set the men from the boys being dropped in favour so called 'practices of the modern day electrician'.


A load of bull IMO, steel conduit is still used today, as is MI. Also IMO, it's these 2 areas that students should be tested on not PVC trunking & conduit with a bit of cat5 thrown in.

But obviously that would make the test too hard and we can't have that can we............