Landlord's EICR query

[Dustydazzler]

Who on earth is still fitting dual RCD boards

 

[frontier219]

Who on earth is still fitting dual RCD boards

Not this guy, he's not even fitting dual ones!

 

[davesparks]

However, on the basis that the CU must be no older than 4-5 years, this should at the very least have a split load board. Therefore I'm giving the installation a C2 on this basis.

Age of the installation does not change the coding on an EICR.

You are reporting on the suitability and safety of the installation for continued use, you are not reporting on absolute compliance with BS7671.

This is why an EICR is not permitted as a substitute for an installation certificate.


A single RCD on the whole installation is something which can be improved upon but is not potentially dangerous in any electrical sense so it is only a recommendation for improvement.

 

[davesparks]

Ironically if this was a Wylex rewireable with an upfront RCD I'd probably give it a C3! (Depending on all the other factors involved, of course)

Then you should be giving this the same coding if it is the same situation.

Would you give this same installation a C3 if you had done the EICR without knowing the back story?

I feel slightly aggrieved that I'll essentially be carrying the can, and likely doing the testing for someone else's rubbish board change.

Don't let your emotions change your EICR codings, you need to remain impartial.

You aren't carrying the can for testing someone else's board change, you're not certifying it or accepting any liability for it.
You aren't even reporting on someone else's board change, you are merely reporting on the installations suitability for continued use.

Out of interest, if it weren't an EICR, and you went to a job where someone had had a recent board change but had fitted a single rcd CU, or a plastic CU, or something else that wouldn't raise a C2 but still clearly shouldn't have been done under the current regs, how would you handle it?

I would explain to the customer what I have found and what problems there are and then discuss with them any work which needs to be done or could be done to improve things.

 

[Dustydazzler]

There are people on here who have been in the trade way longer than I , but I have noticed over my time that pretty much no 2 sparks do a PIR / EICR the same.
I reckon we could send 5 sparks to the same old house and we would get 5 different lot of findings and 5 very different lots of recommendations / Codes

 

[OldSparks]

Everyone is missing the point! A CU change is notifiable. Do the EICR , note any discrepancies and send the forms to Building Control with a covering letter and let them sort it out.
Don't rely on the trade body you are registered with to do the notification.Meanwhile tell the agents/landlords what you recommend to put the installation right.
SAFETY COMES FIRST, YOU HAVE A PRIMARY DUTY OF CARE WHICH OVERRIDES EVERYTHING

 

[DPG]

Everyone is missing the point! A CU change is notifiable. Do the EICR , note any discrepancies and send the forms to Building Control with a covering letter and let them sort it out.
Don't rely on the trade body you are registered with to do the notification.Meanwhile tell the agents/landlords what you recommend to put the installation right.
SAFETY COMES FIRST, YOU HAVE A PRIMARY DUTY OF CARE WHICH OVERRIDES EVERYTHING

I don't think anyone is missing the point. We know the CU has been changed at some point, maybe as long as 5 years ago. We also know there may never have been any paperwork issued.

 

[davesparks]

Everyone is missing the point! A CU change is notifiable. Do the EICR , note any discrepancies and send the forms to Building Control with a covering letter and let them sort it out.

Why would building control be interested in an EICR?

 

[Dustydazzler]

Why would building control be interested in an EICR?

They wouldn't be Dave , they would file it in the bin as it wouldn't even be woth the paper its scribbled on

 

[Intoelectrics]

Everyone is missing the point! A CU change is notifiable. Do the EICR , note any discrepancies and send the forms to Building Control with a covering letter and let them sort it out.
Don't rely on the trade body you are registered with to do the notification.Meanwhile tell the agents/landlords what you recommend to put the installation right.
SAFETY COMES FIRST, YOU HAVE A PRIMARY DUTY OF CARE WHICH OVERRIDES EVERYTHING

An EICR is to determine if an installation is safe for continued use. You have stated this yourself (in bold). Whether the installation of the CCU had been notified is irrelevant.
All you can do is comment on the current installation's condition, and if required apply codes and/or make recommendations based on improving the safety for continued use. The inspector is not there to police or do anything about it.

 

[Simon47]

Why would building control be interested in an EICR?

They wouldn't. But they might be interested in un-notified notifiable works.

 

[Dustydazzler]

They wouldn't. But they might be interested in un-notified notifiable works.

In my experience they have little interest in electrical work , how ever they can hold onto a building competition certificate until they get the part p notification. where this comes from or whom it comes from they couldn't give a rats

 

[Uplight99]

This doesn’t warrant a C2

Going by your logic most consumer units I test I’d have to give a C2 as most aren’t full RCBO with SPD

 

[Dustydazzler]

If you C2 all RCD boards then dual RCD boards will be C2 as well , which as you say we would be C2ing a lot of fairly new builds

 

[brianmoooore]

where this comes from or whom it comes from they couldn't give a rats

Only thing building control are interested in is the signature at the end, so that when things go wrong, there is someone to blame, other than themselves.