Lighting circuit what to do

[haptism]

This is a new one on me and not so sure how to tackle it. The customer is extending 3 bedrooms, ive quoted to install new lighting circuit for these rooms.

The existing circuit for the upstairs lighting does not have an earth and due to its routing it will need extending to fit round the shape of the new rooms. This existing circuit is supplying j.b's in the loft that spider to the bathroom, hall, and another bedroom; the customer will not agree to have these rooms rewired in t&e as it means making holes in the ceilings ! (----)

If I bring in a new feed to the existing J'bs how do I stand on reconnecting the existing circuits that dont have a cpc ?? Customer is adamant he dont want existing rewired but he wants the lights back on, I will IR each of these existing lighting circuits, if they pass I was thinking to make a note on the EIC that customer refuses rewire, and then reconnect.

 

[haptism]

Think I sleep on it and make decision tomorrow, thanks all its been an eye opener !

 

[buzzlightyear]

thanks all its been an eye opener

yeah but which one ,best to sleep on it ,right or left.lol.

 

[haptism]

yeah but which one ,best to sleep on it ,right or left.lol.

don't tell me that ffs

 

[westward10]

The absence of a cpc means ADS is not complied with and this part of the installation is not Class II no matter what accessories are fitted as general purpose accessories are not Class II. The inclusion of an rcd is irrelevant. A disclaimer would hold little water as your client is probably signing something to which he/she has no understanding of.

 

[haptism]

The absence of a cpc means ADS is not complied with and this part of the installation is not Class II no matter what accessories are fitted as general purpose accessories are not Class II. The inclusion of an rcd is irrelevant. A disclaimer would hold little water as your client is probably signing something to which he/she has no understanding of.

Thanks for the info, although that part of the installation I will not touch. Im concerned with running a new supply (which will have a cpc) to the existing lighting jb which serves the existing lights and switches. Is this recommended or not was the reason for the post.

 

[Andy78]

Thanks for the info, although that part of the installation I will not touch. Im concerned with running a new supply (which will have a cpc) to the existing lighting jb which serves the existing lights and switches. Is this recommended or not was the reason for the post.

No. Every part of the job that you include on the cert should be new wiring if you want to keep your nose clean. You can't use any part of the older wiring along any part of the circuit. New from start to finish. You will have created a new circuit for the rooms in question.

If the customer won't have that then toodle pip.

 

[westward10]

So your new cable will power the existing part of the circuit then also supply new parts of the circuit.

 

[haptism]

So your new cable will power the existing part of the circuit then also supply new parts of the circuit.

No there will be a new circuit for the new rooms, and I will remove the existing circuitry for these rooms from the existing JB.

The circuit that was feeding the upstairs lighting was chopped by the builder when he demolished the rooms and customer wants it reconnected as now there is no lights upstairs. So reconnecting to a JB in loft (with new t&e) that spiders to each room (not the new ones) in cable without cpc is what im considering.
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Basically I wanna bring a new feed (t&e) to the loft JB. None of the existing outgoing wiring from this jb has cpc's.

 

[johnduffell]

you can repair like for like to old versions of the regs, but honestly however stubborn this guy is, once 2 or 3 professional sparks tell him he needs a rewire not a repair maybe he'll realise it's not a choice. "It's been fine for 50 years why change it" might take a while to convince, but with no lights he'll have plenty of time to think about it in the dark!

 

[buzzlightyear]

recommended or not was the reason for the post.

no use a a new circuit and explain to the customer why .do not under circumstances change any other circuit .

 

[pirate]

If the customer won't listen to reason, walk away.
If he thinks you are trying to rip him off, walk away.
If he is trying to cut cost to the minimum, walk away.
If you are unhappy with the job he wants you to do, walk away.
Let him get a bottom-feeder in, and walk away.
When he pleads with you to come back and sort his mess, walk away.
...and sleep soundly!

 

[Markyd]

As soon as you run a new feed for old circuits you are responsible for it.......... walk

 

[Grant1987]

As soon as you run a new feed for old circuits you are responsible for it.......... walk

If I were you man up and tell him that it needs a complete Rewire and give price to reflect your hard work in doing so. If he doesn’t agree then tell him you can’t do the work because you don’t want to have a guilty conscience in doing something that is completely wrong and you will be liable for. You’ll be the one to blame if something went wrong start from scratch so you know it’s all safe and complient ?

 

[davesparks]

you can repair like for like to old versions of the regs,

I'm not aware of this regulation, can you elaborate on this?

 

[Pete999]

If the customer won't listen to reason, walk away.
If he thinks you are trying to rip him off, walk away.
If he is trying to cut cost to the minimum, walk away.
If you are unhappy with the job he wants you to do, walk away.
Let him get a bottom-feeder in, and walk away.
When he pleads with you to come back and sort his mess, walk away.
...and sleep soundly!

So in essence "Walk away" is that what you are saying Pirate? lol, it's what I would do