loop in loop out

[DurhamSparky]

sorry guys just been glancing at another forum (one im banned from due to arguing with resident sparks) and they discussing this!

loop in loop out at switch!!!!

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how many of you prefer this method or do you just like to stick with the ceiling rose / wago box / ashley box

steve

 

[eddielarge]

we use a mixture depending on what is easiest for each light. Usually it is 3 plate at the ceiling rose. But on my last rewire i took the feed down to 2 of the sw's just for the outside lights, and then a 3 core outside.

If the client wants dimmers at the sw the minimum i would want is 35mm box even 45mm if there is 2 way sw in there for 2 or more lights. With all the neutrals and earths it can get a bit busy in there, and easy to crush cables with the possibility of snapping a conductor when trying to wrestle a flat plate dimmer back in!!

When terminating the bathroom cables in the loft, the way to go is to use a ashley box. It is easy to terminate in and means you can have a single cable to the light fitting. Keeping it all tidy for the fan and iso to.

spot on mark

 

[andyb]

Just that ive been to look at work and had a shock when i went to wire a loft light and there was no feed at the lights .and all switches on 1st floor had been chased up from floor , so there wasnt even a cable in the loft that i could cut into ,, ONE BIG DRAW BACK

That was done before you came. We're discussing how we do it. I do it the way that suits me and and don't worry about someone turning up after I've finished.

Never been Keen on joint boxes on new rewires

Neither have I, but it's an option and one that I use when it suits me.(usually a large loft with boards down, It can be easier to run all switches & lights to one location & do a j/b)

 

[eddielarge]

ANDY B

I know it was done before i was there, i was just stating a very big draw back to the switch system.
and that is my opinion

and plus on many domestic rewires i come across metal tube on switch dropps. and the loop switch idea will never work.

So am i right in saying you take fan isolator 3 core to switch as well.

at college i was taught to three plate twin and earth and to take feeds to switches on conduit wiring.

Im not saying its right ,just the way i was taught.

I will always 3 plate and then 2 plate if i have wall lights or tricky fittings.

too many draw backs to just solely doing 2 plate,

 

[Jason Smith]

I have never been on a rewire yet where I didnt have to use at least two of the three main methods, and common all three. Very rarely 2.5 off ring to fcu on a three amp to a local lighting circuit. But I do pick difficult buildings. I consider the methods to be weapons in our armoury, the buildings deciding what I use.

spot on mark

I tend to rewire a lot of difficult houses, I consider all methods to be weapons in our armoury, and its common to use all three on the same house. The only one that I dont like is 2.5 to FCU 3 amp fuse and lights off that, as its to easy for someone to replace the 3 amp with a 13.

 

[SirKit Breaker]

I do loop in and out at the rose, unless its stud work then i do it at the switch. The reason behind this is as someone says its easier second fixing at the switch thats why i do i this way in stud. I use the rose method in brick/block etc so i can have an easier time making good.

 

[lewlec]

Hi all

its looping at the switches for me and when it comes to bathrooms i always take all cables back to the fan isolator, i know its a lot of cables in one box but i find it works well for me.

 

[Deleted member 9648]

All good points and pro's and cons to all methods,we tend to mix depending on what suits...but the simplicity of just one cable when the client presents a chandelier to go up makes the switch method very attractive.You could always run a 3 core up from the switch to the lights if you consider that a permanant live is ever going to be required in the future.

 

[chris gray]

i always make the bathroom eol as getting a loop in at the p/sw + a 3core for the fan is a mare.

 

[robsparky1975]

pendants 3 plate,downlights to switch as junction boxes very difficult to cram in loads of cables

am doing re-wire at the moment,15 spots and 2 wall lights in the lounge 10 cables(2 way) deep double box only way for me

 

[chris gray]

am doing re-wire at the moment,15 spots and 2 wall lights in the lounge 10 cables(2 way) deep double box only way for me[/QUOTE]
why dont you loop the switch wire at the downlights?

 

[eddielarge]

Please dont attack this is only what i was told on my first visit by the NIC ,

The inspector said that they did not like neautrals at the switches and if u did you should use double pole switches.

This was his view . not mine (im ducking for cover)

 

[gaffer]

Nonsense ,that must have been his personal opinion.

 

[chris gray]

gotta agree, that must be his personal opinion.

 

[robsparky1975]

am doing re-wire at the moment,15 spots and 2 wall lights in the lounge 10 cables(2 way) deep double box only way for me

why dont you loop the switch wire at the downlights?[/QUOTE]

up and down on steps all day,call me lazy if u like lol but doing all connections at ground level suits more,besides this 4 bed house is having 80 downlights and im sick to death of them.

 

[chris gray]

why dont you loop the switch wire at the downlights?

up and down on steps all day,call me lazy if u like lol but doing all connections at ground level suits more,besides this 4 bed house is having 80 downlights and im sick to death of them.[/QUOTE]
so oure going to take every s/w back to the sw? youre going to have to make a termination at the d/l anyway so whats another cable?