NICEIC Certification Scheme NICEIC Blackmail

[Redvanman]

I'd be quite interested in how many people have moaned about this and have left their scheme.
Has it affected they work (not that they would tell you )
You hear guys banging on about it all the time
You've got to remember NIC, ECA have been around for years with there approved scheme and I can't remember guys moaning about that but you still had to be a member to get the big contracts.
Its the government of the day that organises Part P

 

[Guest55]

.....tantamount to Fraud! Even if you inform the customer of the fact.

why is it fraud if the client is aware of their responsibilities but they still choose to hire a contractor who isnt member of a scheme ?
sorry , dont see any crime there.

 

[baldsparkies]

The NIC or any other governing body are there for part P compliance certs cus notification is cheaper that way.
So domestic installer full scope is good enough for all domestic work.
as far as commercial is concerned. Most of the Facility Managers we work for use us because we are experienced old farts with JIB approved electrician status, and electrical site manager status.
NIC get £400 a year to eat my jammy dodgers and drink my coffee. But they also put up with me lecturing them when they come to asses each year, so its six of one half dozen of the other.
When they insist we should go approved with the experience and type of work we cover. We say No, why bother,dont want to. They say we would get more work that way, I know thats crap because no NIC person has ever given us a commercial job lead.
Join the NICEIC by all means it helps get your foot in the door.
But its you, your experience, and the quality of your installs that will get you work.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

I get this from my other halfs old man. He's a building surveyor. He loves telling me whenever is see him that i should be NIC. One day i might remove his lips.

here...theres a cost effective solution for this:

 

[guest119]

The NICEIC was a regstered non profit charity, is that not still the case?

Boydy

 

[R G]

The NICEIC was a regstered non profit charity, is that not still the case?

Boydy

Charity begins at home ,,,,,,Their home,,,,,lol...

 

[trev]

More fuel to the fire of the FB campaign as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Octopus]

building notification is the legal responsibility of the property owner , not the electrical contractor and anyone can issue electrical certs.

Sorry mate but you are wrong:

Extract from the latest version of Part P:

"Section 3: Certification, Inspection and Testing

General

3.1 For notifiable electrical installation work, one of the following three procedures must be used to certify that the work complies with the requirements set out in the Building Regulations.

a. Self-certification by a registered competent person.

b. Third-Party certification by a registered third party certifier.

c. Certification by a building control body."

Which I read as the installer is responsible

 

[Octopus]

I hope Murdoch doesn't see this. :smilielol5:

he, he. Too late

 

[Octopus]

In Court, when you are being cross examined you will be asked about Part P, which you will acknowledge understanding of as you claim to be a competent person.

The next question will be why didn't you disclose this requirement to the homeowner?

Then you are bxllxcked.

 

[trev]

In Court, when you are being cross examined you will be asked about Part P, which you will acknowledge understanding of as you claim to be a competent person.

The next question will be why didn't you disclose this requirement to the homeowner?

Then you are bxllxcked.

Would you though? As long as you can prove that the install complied with BS7671 when you walked away from it then the problem would never arise.

Ok, you'd be in breach of part p but I've yet to see any prosecutions for non notification.

 

[shanky887614]

In Court, when you are being cross examined you will be asked about Part P, which you will acknowledge understanding of as you claim to be a competent person.

The next question will be why didn't you disclose this requirement to the homeowner?

Then you are bxllxcked.

If you have the part p qualification surely you can use that as evidence:what:

 

[GLENNSPARK]

The NICEIC was a regstered non profit charity, is that not still the case?

Boydy

and they will enjoy all the benefits that being a `charity` brings...

if its a charity...surely councils shouldn`t be favouring them...over everyone else...

 

[GLENNSPARK]

If you have the part p qualification surely you can use that as evidence:what:

Eh?

Part pis is not a qual...

 

[Guest55]

Sorry mate but you are wrong:

Extract from the latest version of Part P:

"Section 3: Certification, Inspection and Testing

General

3.1 For notifiable electrical installation work, one of the following three procedures must be used to certify that the work complies with the requirements set out in the Building Regulations.

a. Self-certification by a registered competent person.

b. Third-Party certification by a registered third party certifier.

c. Certification by a building control body."

Which I read as the installer is responsible

nothing written there contradicts my quoted statement.

if fact , option c just re-inforces my other comment that a homeowner can employ a non scheme installer and have LABC certify , if that is what they choose to do.