No cpc on lighting and no neutral continuity on kitchen ring

[Muzza115]

Hi All,
I recently replaced an old rewirable fuse board for metal split load rcd board. However on testing prior to replacement I noted that one of the lighting circuits doesn’t have a cpc. I’ve put this in the EIC for the new board that no cpc for lights, advised client that needs rewiring and advise against metal fittings accessories etc,is this the right course of action to take? They do already have metal fittings on this circuit, Is rcd protection enough to cover this? Also the kitchen ring has no continuity on the neutral conductor, I’ve had all the accessories off to find it but can’t, I’m assuming the break maybe in a buried joint box as the kitchen is an old extension. What’s the best course of action to take regarding this please?
Thanks

 

[telectrix]

Remember the wooden switch back boxes Tel?

yep, and lead sheathed twin with the lead sheath as cpc.(only on rip-outs though. never installed it. would have liked to, though).

 

[Pete999]

yep, and lead sheathed twin with the lead sheath as cpc.(only on rip-outs though. never installed it. would have liked to, though).

I can remember being shown how to install wooden back boxes, and those 13 Amp sockets that didn't have a back box as such, more like a patress type thing, I used to call them Castle sockets they were MK, and a right booger to fit.

 

[telectrix]

before my time., bearing in mind that i came into the trade a lot later than you did.my early years were in TV repair and Alarms.was not till 1985 that i dived into sparking.

 

[Muzza115]

I’ve sorted the neutral fault. Was one of the legs back to the board strangely. I’ve disconnected both ends made safe and reduced to a 20 amp breaker. I’ve also swapped the metal fittings for pendants. The assessor had to cancel the visit and rescheduled for next Saturday. So gave me time to sort things. Did it yesterday morning.

 

[telectrix]

I’ve sorted the neutral fault. Was one of the legs back to the board strangely. I’ve disconnected both ends made safe and reduced to a 20 amp breaker. I’ve also swapped the metal fittings for pendants. The assessor had to cancel the visit and rescheduled for next Saturday. So gave me time to sort things. Did it yesterday morning.

have you dissed both the L and E of that leg from last socket and the CU, in order to make the circuit a true radial?

 

[Wilko]

Appreciate your hypothesis Mate but it only needs one home owner to start sticking Metal decorative switches and fittings up, on a circuit without a cpc, and that blows your thoughts out of the water.
I don't think or believe that a circuit without a cpc, with plastic switches etc, is the same as a Double insulated hand tool, nice idea, but not for me I'm afraid.

Agree Pete. The double insulation section 412.1.3 says it "shall not be applied to any circuit where (some things) or where a user may change items of equipment without authorisation."

 

[Octopus]

I’ve sorted the neutral fault. Was one of the legs back to the board strangely. I’ve disconnected both ends made safe and reduced to a 20 amp breaker. I’ve also swapped the metal fittings for pendants. The assessor had to cancel the visit and rescheduled for next Saturday. So gave me time to sort things. Did it yesterday morning.

So you've now got a kitchen on a 20A radial - is this suitable given the appliances they have?

 

[Deleted member 9648]

So you've now got a kitchen on a 20A radial - is this suitable given the appliances they have?

He'll soon get a call if it's not.
Not entirely sure why post 154 attracted a dumb from a member. The solution of converting a ring to a radial may or may not be ideal depending on circumstances, same with removing class 1 fittings from the lighting circuit. But in many circumstances it IS a practical solution to a problem, nothing dumb about that at all.

 

[Muzza115]

There’s only 3 Sockets on the radial. Fortunately the kitchen also has another 32A ring powering dishwasher and washing machine.

 

[Muzza115]

Yes, cable disconnected both ends.

 

[Octopus]

Yes, cable disconnected both ends.

Matey ..........think you have learnt some important lessons on this thread and well done for not throwing your teddies out of the pram and not answering questions..

I'm very surprised that the CPS is doing an assessment on a Saturday ?

Are they giving you a discount for making a last minute change to the date?

 

[Toneyz]

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have you dissed both the L and E of that leg from last socket and the CU, in order to make the circuit a true radial?

If you haven't removed the faulty leg from the socket and consumer unit at the consumer unit you want to put in the earth bar all three conductors and make safe (terminate in wago's etc) at the socket not trying to tell you how to suck eggs just a tip also there is a sticker for the consumer unit and do a letter informing the customer regarding no metal fitting on lighting circuit and advise getting the leg replaced/repaired.Thanks for getting back on the forum with a reply and all the best next Saturday.

 

[DPG]

I echo what Murdoch said above.

 

[Muzza115]

Thank You. I just put both ends in wagos and flagged cable ‘do not terminate ‘at CCU.

Murdoch I didn’t ask for a discount as didn’t want to irritate them before the assessment but I will ask for one after,as if I had of cancelled it would have cost me money. I think Saturday assessments is only for the domestic installer scheme.

 

[Octopus]

Thank You. I just put both ends in wagos and flagged cable ‘do not terminate ‘at CCU.

I would have left the CPC connected to the CU