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[Farmelectrics]

third party story so dont shoot the mesenger just wanted to share this and see if any of are fellow sparks have come across this my mate goes to a house to investigate why there is no earth into property this has come to light as the gas board wont install new boiler as there is no earth how right they were aswell. the supply is a tnc-s the incoming cable has been put into a hennely block (jb) as the meter has been re moved to outside by scottish power so the meter reader can read without access into property. so meter now outside with a new 2 core 16mm ran to outside length roughly 10metres (not right) scottish power come out today and say there is no brass plate in hennly block (jb) which provides the earth. in effect this property has been in a potenially dangerous condition. scottish power are to put this right sorry for long winded story your thoughts please

 

[trev]

I'd make sure they knew about it then mate, someone needs to get an email and you need to keep a copy.
Always cya.

 

[Farmelectrics]

Apparently in 2002 they removed the meters from inside to outside in the whole road

 

[mechelec]

Today the dno have finally come out and reinstated the pme head after telling them on the phone that they have a legal requirement to provide an earthing arrangement for each property the engineer that come out looked rather embarrassed and couldn't believe the property has no earthing arrangement since 2002 job closed well for him anyway could of opened a can of worms cos the neighbors is exactly the same and God nose how many others are like that

No they don't.
They do have a duty to maintain any earthing terminal the provide though.

 

[trev]

I'd say this is the grey area Mech. They used to provide an earth but now they don't, do they still have a duty to maintain it.
I'd say yes they do, they and their legal department might disagree.

 

[Knobhead]

If they previously provided an earth they are duty bound to maintain it.

 

[mechelec]

If they previously provided an earth they are duty bound to maintain it.

I agree but they do not have 'a legal requirement to provide an earthing arrangement to each property'.

 

[trev]

I agree but they do not have 'a legal requirement to provide an earthing arrangement to each property'.

As Tony says though, if they have in the past then surely they should now. After all, it's their visit from the fup fairy.

 

[Farmelectrics]

They provided one originally and then didn't reinstate it when the meter was moved and mech your wrong they have a legal requirement to provide you with an earthing arrangement into your property it's then your responsibility to get one to your consumer unit

 

[Farmelectrics]

At least that is what it says inn the bgb

 

[Knobhead]

I can’t see what you’re getting at mechelec. The head and meter have been moved, it’s not a new supply. The feed to the customers CU hasn’t been reinstated to the same specification.

 

[driverman]

They provided one originally and then didn't reinstate it when the meter was moved and mech your wrong they have a legal requirement to provide you with an earthing arrangement into your property it's then your responsibility to get one to your consumer unit

I don't think it is a legal requirement for them to provide an earth. What if TT supply? That would be down to the electrician to ensure an adequate earth was provided by themselves. The same with with any other form of supply. When a PME terminal has been supplied, it's up to the electrician whether it is used or not.

 

[trev]

I don't think it is a legal requirement for them to provide an earth. What if TT supply? That would be down to the electrician to ensure an adequate earth was provided by themselves. The same with with any other form of supply. When a PME terminal has been supplied, it's up to the electrician whether it is used or not.

They do not have to supply an earthing facility but if they do they have to maintain it. In this case they've provided one in the past so after moving the supply they should have reinstated it.
I did have my doubts earlier but after reading what others have said I have to agree with them. There is no installing electrician here, just a DNO guy who moved their toys.
It's totally different from the scenario you're proposing

 

[driverman]

Ah well all sorted out now, but why they reconnected it, is baffling. Not only that 10m away from original position .

 

[mechelec]

I seem to have caused some confusion. My post no 33 was in reply to farmelectrics who phoned the DNO and said they have " a legal requirement to provide an earthing arrangement for each property"

They do not have to provide an earthing terminal to each property at all.
I then went on to say that they do have an obligation to maintain any earth terminal they do provide.

I appreciate that this property had an earth terminal provided that was incorrect and as such the DNO do have a duty to maintain it.
That does not mean they have any legal obligation to provide an earth terminal.

 

[Farmelectrics]

Ok mech I get what your saying so how could an electrician provided an earthing arrangement in this case because to do so you need to get the dno involved anyway to reconnect the pme head is out of bounds the dno guy came out and reinstalled the pme head live something us electricians are not allowed to do would you agree and if so then how the hell were we ment to do it with out the dno