No RCD in place..

[chrish_1977]

@Sintra, Chrish & Spinlondon, thanks I now understand that work complying with older regs at the time of installation do not have to be brought up to standard with newer regs unless work is carried out to the installation.

I guess if every installation did have to be brought up to standard then there would be a hell of a lot of work needed!

Exactly. As long as its still safe as per the regs it was installed by then all good if not needs bringing up to current regs

dont take the replies the wrong way. Just lots of people come on here thinking they can be sparks and do the job themselves or can argue about regs with a good spark. Normally apprentices do that

 

[dancematic66]

I didn't take your's the wrong way Chrish, Murdoch's however I have.

I understand exactly what you are saying, I am inexperienced and whenever I do electrical work in my job I do so in as safe a way as I know possible, not like these people that you talk of.

It may seem like I'm arguing but believe me that is not my intended way to come across, I am merely trying to gain a clear understanding!

 

[dancematic66]

What I don't understand is what is wrong with my previous posts?

Am I fitting into some sort of stereotype/category that you have on these forums?

 

[Octopus]

I didn't take your's the wrong way Chrish, Murdoch's however I have.

Spell if out matey..,....

 

[chrish_1977]

What I don't understand is what is wrong with my previous posts?

Am I fitting into some sort of stereotype/category that you have on these forums?

Not a stereotype. More like my post a little bit of knowledge and all that, you can only find out so much from websites, google etc. if you are ever in any doubt get an expert in, being in exhibitions you should know that. I also worked building stands and i cant imagine touching electrics whatever voltage without being trained

 

[Guest55]

as a sparks you're guilty until proven innocent in a court of law, so yes the sparks would get charged with manslaughter and serve time.

you might want to re-think that post through before i troll the crap out of it.

 

[chrish_1977]

you might want to re-think that post through before i troll the crap out of it.

Ha ha ha

 

[dancematic66]

Not a stereotype. More like my post a little bit of knowledge and all that, you can only find out so much from websites, google etc. if you are ever in any doubt get an expert in, being in exhibitions you should know that. I also worked building stands and i cant imagine touching electrics whatever voltage without being trained

Yes you are right I can't deny this.

However I know that what I do is safe, despite having no formal qualifications.

I know this just further illustrates your point about little knowledge, no training but I have self taught myself to a certain degree and my work only comprises of essentially creating and running extension cables around our booths.

I never delve outside of my area of knowledge and if I am unsure, I do always ask someone else, namely a professional!

We use safe connection methods (Wieland Gesis), everything is earthed, fused adequately, the supply is provided by the electrical contractor for the event etc.. After 6 years doing this I am still alive (So far..)

Look now I am trying to justify myself..

 

[telectrix]

dance, the nearest analogy i can make is with cars. cars 1st regbistered before a certain date , in 1965, i think , did not require seat belts. they do not have to have them retro fitted now. same with RCDs. if they were not required by the regs. when the installation was put in, then they don't need them fitting now. although in both cases, the car and the electrical installation would be safer.

 

[chrish_1977]

And don't forget passenger wing mirrors, reverse lights. I was a mechanic before seeing the light and becoming a spark

 

[dancematic66]

How long ago were the 32 amps MCBs fitted it is only since 2008 that sockets in domestic dwellings have to be RCD/RCBO protected so if it was before this then there is no need to have it done retrospectively.

As I said they don't have to provide RCD protection for anything exisiting just what work they carry on any circuit. Earthing conduits is certainly no reason to do this neither.

Should you have any doubt about it maybe contact the council and raise your concern with them.

Hi all,

I forgot to mention at the beginning of this thread that recently the council added a fused spur to the radial circuit in my Mother's property.

Would this addition to the circuit make them now responsible for the circuit and adding an RCD to it or is the work negligible in this circumstance, like the afore mentioned earthing of the metal conduit?

Thanks,

Michael.

(I know someone has already stated about making a mountain out of a molehill but last week my sister and I received a shock from the unearthed metal conduit it wasn't 230V but we would still feel safer with an RCD in place. If the council won't do it then we will buy one ourselves and employ an electrician to install it for us!)

 

[Deleted member 26818]

A fused spur does not require RCD protection.
It is only some sockets that require RCD protection.
However the cables if they are concealed in a wall at a depth less than 50mm may well require RCD protection.
How has the fused spur been wired, are the cables concealed in the wall, or are they in trunking on the surface?
No they would not be responsible for the circuit unless it is in a bath or shower room.
They would only be responsible for the new cables.
Not to say, that it may be easier to provide RCD protection for the circuit rather than just the new cables (if required).

 

[dancematic66]

A fused spur does not require RCD protection.
It is only some sockets that require RCD protection.
However the cables if they are concealed in a wall at a depth less than 50mm may well require RCD protection.
How has the fused spur been wired, are the cables concealed in the wall, or are they in trunking on the surface?
No they would not be responsible for the circuit unless it is in a bath or shower room.
They would only be responsible for the new cables.
Not to say, that it may be easier to provide RCD protection for the circuit rather than just the new cables (if required).

Hi spin,

Thanks for clarifying!

The fused spur is a switchable wall mounted box which has been mounted above an already existing wall mounted twin gang socket.

The fused spur wiring leaves the switchable spur box and is contained within metal conduit which runs to the ceiling.

3/4 of the way up the conduit the spur wiring exits to the exterior of the property and runs to an outside PIR light.

Also contained in the conduit is the existing wiring of the radial circuit which runs to the 1st floor sockets.

This hasn't been altered, only in as much as it has been disconnected from the double gang socket in order for the metal conduit to be installed (It's new conduit).

 

[dancematic66]

The socket/spur are located in the kitchen within 1000mm of the sink.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Cables that are concealed in walls require additional protection.
The options are:
To bury the cables at a depth greater than 50mm.
To use a cable which incorporates an earthed sheath.
To install the cables in earthed conduit or trunking.
To provide mechanical protection sufficient to prevent penetration by screws or nails.
To run the cables in prescribed zones and provide 30mA RCD protection.
By using the earthed conduit, they are very likely covering two of the available options.
There is no minimum distance for a socket or accessory to be from a sink in a kitchen.
It is widely recomended that it be at least 300mm, either horizontally or vertically from the sink (ignore the drainer) part, or basin.