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Hi

Apologies for the length of this post but I'd like to provide as much information as possible

We moved house last October knowing that the property would require a full rewire. Our electrician completed the rewire (including new consumer unit) in December last year and although we were unhappy about his reliability at points during the process, we were pleased that the job had been completed and that he had issued a certificate detailing the work done. The rewire didn't include any work in the bathroom or kitchen as our intention was to completely refurbish these rooms at a later date.

That time has now come and we decided against using the previous electrician due to the reliability issues mentioned above A local electrician came to the house last night to discuss our requirements. He had a few questions about the exisiting electrical set up so I dug out the 3 page certificate that the previous electrician had issued. Upon viewing the certificate the electrician commented that the certificate didn't show which body the issuing electrician belonged to. He said that without the registration body information and registration number the certificate would not be acceptable to building control. He also said that the previous work should have been notified to building control either prior to work commencing by an unregistered person or afterwards by the registered 'competent person'.

This set off alarm bells. I've spent this morning online trying to find him listed with one of the registered bodies but he doesn't appear on any of the sites I've been to. I've looked at NICEIC, ELECSA, NAPIT,BSI, Kitemark and Benchmark Certification Ltd (CORGI Membership). Are there any others he could be registered with that would allow him to certify his work?

We had used this electrician on a smaller job (wiring an ensuite shower room) at our old home 3 or 4 years ago and had been really pleased with his work. He had issued a certificate for this work too and also came heavily recommended on a local community website, so we had no reason to think he shouldn't be certifying his own work. Although no rewiring took place in the bathroom, kitchen and garden areas I'm assuming that this is notifiable work because he installed a new consumer unit?

I'm not sure what to do next. I haven't spoken with the electrician yet because I want to get my facts straight first. I'm worried about contacting the council because I've read that they can fine the householder upto £5000 if work that should have been notified in advance hasn't been. I also need to understand what we might be forced to do if the certificate is invalid. Are we likely to have to lift all our floorboards again and reexpose all the cables within the walls ?

This is so frustrating because we would never have had the electrician undertake the job if there'd been any suggestion that he could not certify his own work.

Apart from berating us for being so foolish as to take him at his word without checking him out further at the time, can anyone offer any constructive advice on how we should deal with this situation. Although we've lived at our current address less than a year we want to ensure that we don't have any problems when we come to sell in the future.

Many thanks for taking the time to read this and for any useful advice you may be able to provide.
 
Good reply from simonspark i would say that would be your best course of action if you are thinking of either extending your house or having a new kitchen bathroom etc at least bonding ,characteristics of your supply would be checked to make sure everything was up to scratch.Armed with a new completion cert that would cover you for future house sales instead of paying labc a shedful of money
 
Its probably just me, but..... Those RCD disconnection times seem incorrect, cooker excepted.
I thought the only circuits that were allowed 5s times were those over 32a and distribution circuits (411.3.2.2)?

Cheers
 
Hang on. There are many errors here. PSSC 0,23 KA? That would mean a Ze of 10 ohms at 230 volts. Nominal voltages of 230 and 240 instead of 400 and 230. All the circuits should be 0.4 disconnection time. And crazy rcd disconnection times. 11.4 ms etc. My meter only goes down to the nearest hundredth of a second. Not thousandth. Or is that just me with me old meter? Calibrated mind you!
 
Two things I would like to point out.
Firstly, it is the person ordering the work who is responsible for notification, not the person carrying out the work.
Secondly, there is no requirement to test existing circuits when conducting a board change.
 
You are wrong. If there are no requirements to test the final circuits following a board change, then it follows that you can reconnect, lets say, old virs with no earth. Or even lighting circuits wired in twin pvc with no earths. It is down to you as the electrician to highlight these problems to the customer before commencing the works. If you install rcd protection as you probably need to in most circumstances, and the new rcd then trips when the circuit is energized, do you say "You got a problem there mate" take the money and go home?
 
You are wrong. ?

I think it may be time to get behind the bunker with heads down
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There is no direct reference to it. However, there are many odd little nuances in the regs. It says you can have a wall mounted light switch in a bathroom. Read on a bit more and it says you can only install fixtures that are suitable to the environment. Which means you cant have a wall mounted switch in aforementioned bathroom
 
Plus!!!!!!!! The few people who have been fined have been the tradesmen that have installed the electrical equipment. All that happens to the householder is that when they sell up, a sharp-eyed solicitor will see some works have been carried out and that the purchaser will get a few thousand quid knocked off the price
 
If you inspected and tested the installation before the work was conducted, it would be a PIR.
The only requirement for any pre-testing, is to verify that the rating of the existing equipment is adequate, and that the earthing and bonding arrangements are adequate for whatever protective measure is intended to be applied for the safety of the alteration or addition.
All 631.1 requires you to do is to issue an EIC, detail the extent of the work covered by the Certificate and include a record of the inspection and the results of testing.
It doesn't say anything about inspecting and testing existing circuits.
 
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The only requirement for any pre-testing, is to verify that the rating of the existing equipment is adequate, and that the earthing and bonding arrangements are adequate for whatever protective measure is intended to be applied for the safety of the alteration or addition
How do you do this without testing the installation
 

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